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1st Gen Forever · 09-01-2012, 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RoketRdr

So is that a $20 bill I see left behind?

Yea! I spent so much on this build that 20s just fly out the tailpipes during burnouts!

Shot some video doing the tune today. I'll get it uploaded in a couple days. Right now I'm going to put some miles on my car!

I am extremely impressed by the power this thing makes and it was over 100 degrees here today while we were messing with the tune!

1st Gen Forever · 09-02-2012, 09:37 AM

Thanks to Damon for tuning yesterday. He had some challenges with the version of HP Tuners reading all the ZL1 parameters needed but the updated version read them fine and some formula calculations got us around as well.

Here's a short video of our first attempt getting on it on a freeway onramp with a couple S curves.

I must say, I am extremely pleased with the way this thing pulls at EVERY RPM from 2k on up. And our ambient temperature here in AZ while tuning yesterday was well over 100*. I have to keep the temp in perspective because the power of this car was amazing and temps like that kill power in everything, supercharged or not. I can only imagine what this thing is going to feel like in cooler weather!

The exhaust is obnoxiously loud around town. I have to keep the mild-to-wild switch set to stock, then shift before 4k or else it sounds like an open pipe Sprint Cup car!

It WILL draw attention!

RoketRdr · 09-02-2012, 09:54 AM

IT SOUNDS FANTASTIC!!

Nice work on your part and kudos to KDI.

KD Innovations · 09-04-2012, 01:03 PM

Damon sounded impressed so that is telling me a lot. Well over 100* and pulling like that is a good sign of the potential there.

htron50 · 09-04-2012, 01:13 PM

Thanks for sharing all the pics, some of the problems modifying runs in to etc. Educational, informative, and real world great!

1st Gen Forever · 09-04-2012, 03:45 PM

We were seeing peak boost of 14psi. That's with a 9.1 lower and 2.55 upper. Ambient air was around 100* to 110* depending on where we were and IAT2 would rise to the 150s when getting into it up to the triple digit speeds then it would cool right away when getting out of the power.

It transitions from vacuum to boost right away when stepping into it.

Engine temps stayed down around 190* unless I was in city traffic then it would climb to 200* but I never saw it up to 210* unless I shut the car off hot. In that situation it would be warm when starting and cool right down quickly.

Drake Heminger · 09-04-2012, 06:08 PM

Oh ok thats what's up! I'll have to get an Rx chiller or
Something to prevent it from gettin too hot and maybe a 160 degree thermostat?

1st Gen Forever · 09-04-2012, 07:13 PM

Yea, Everybody seems to run the 160* T-stat and we still run above 160. I'm sure that one could be debated like crazy because above 160 you'll be full open and circulating all the time not ever giving coolant time to sit still in the radiator.

I considered leaving my stock thermostat but in the end changed it because I could not find ONE high HP build example that kept the stock.

Some more data from our weekend of tuning:

DA was 4713’

Cruising IAT2’s were 22* above ambient, WOT through the gears was 154* that’s only a 34* delta!!!

Thursday we are going to VE tune the car to get AFR perfect during fast throttle transitions.

This was a mild tune 11.6:1 AFR and 17* of timing…

Now that Damon knows how the car responds it’s time to lean her out a little and add some more timing especially in the mid-range.

When the weather cools and DA gets below 1000’ expect 15psi and 20* of timing up top on 91 octane

KD Innovations · 09-05-2012, 08:14 AM

I run 160's and see temps of 173 in the ZL1 and 182 in the CTS-V. Both are very stable and never go up more than about 5*.

PhxTriode · 09-05-2012, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 1st Gen Forever

Yea, Everybody seems to tun the 160* T-stat and we still run above 160. I'm sure that one could be debated like crazy because above 160 you'll be full open and circulating all the time not ever giving coolant time to sit still in the radiator.

I considered leaving my stock thermostat but in the end changed it because I could not find ONE high HP build example that kept the stock.

Some more data from our weekend of tuning:

DA was 4713’

Cruising IAT2’s were 22* above ambient, WOT through the gears was 154* that’s only a 34* delta!!!

Thursday we are going to VE tune the car to get AFR perfect during fast throttle transitions.

This was a mild tune 11.6:1 AFR and 17* of timing…

Now that Damon knows how the car responds it’s time to lean her out a little and add some more timing especially in the mid-range.

When the weather cools and DA gets below 1000’ expect 15psi and 20* of timing up top on 91 octane

I am very impressed with how well the car is responding and this isn't my first rodeo with LSA's... This is a great combo.

I am also sold on the Mast heads.

Damon

1st Gen Forever · 09-05-2012, 08:58 PM

Welcome to the party Damon!

2012ZL1 · 09-06-2012, 12:14 PM

sweet vid.....1st gen forever...you remind me of the cheetos guy with the sunglasses and the cool attitude..ha ha. Good vid...

PhxTriode · 09-06-2012, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by 1st Gen Forever

Welcome to the party Damon!

Thx, good to be here

KD Innovations · 09-06-2012, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 2012ZL1

sweet vid.....1st gen forever...you remind me of the cheetos guy with the sunglasses and the cool attitude..ha ha. Good vid...

"Shouldn't you guys be workin'?"

09-04-2012, 06:08 PM	#161
Drake Heminger Drives: 2014 Stingray Z51 Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Stafford, VA Posts: 2,951	Oh ok thats what's up! I'll have to get an Rx chiller or Something to prevent it from gettin too hot and maybe a 160 degree thermostat? __________________ "What a coincidence, Drake returns and brings brand new ZL1's with him...." - CAM....ZL1

09-04-2012, 07:13 PM	#162
1st Gen Forever ZL1 #140 Drives: Camaros: 68 SS, 10 2SS/RS, 12 ZL1 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Arizona Posts: 594	Yea, Everybody seems to run the 160* T-stat and we still run above 160. I'm sure that one could be debated like crazy because above 160 you'll be full open and circulating all the time not ever giving coolant time to sit still in the radiator. I considered leaving my stock thermostat but in the end changed it because I could not find ONE high HP build example that kept the stock. Some more data from our weekend of tuning: DA was 4713’ Cruising IAT2’s were 22* above ambient, WOT through the gears was 154* that’s only a 34* delta!!! Thursday we are going to VE tune the car to get AFR perfect during fast throttle transitions. This was a mild tune 11.6:1 AFR and 17* of timing… Now that Damon knows how the car responds it’s time to lean her out a little and add some more timing especially in the mid-range. When the weather cools and DA gets below 1000’ expect 15psi and 20* of timing up top on 91 octane Last edited by 1st Gen Forever; 09-05-2012 at 10:31 PM.

09-02-2012, 09:37 AM	#156
1st Gen Forever ZL1 #140 Drives: Camaros: 68 SS, 10 2SS/RS, 12 ZL1 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Arizona Posts: 594	Thanks to Damon for tuning yesterday. He had some challenges with the version of HP Tuners reading all the ZL1 parameters needed but the updated version read them fine and some formula calculations got us around as well. Here's a short video of our first attempt getting on it on a freeway onramp with a couple S curves. I must say, I am extremely pleased with the way this thing pulls at EVERY RPM from 2k on up. And our ambient temperature here in AZ while tuning yesterday was well over 100*. I have to keep the temp in perspective because the power of this car was amazing and temps like that kill power in everything, supercharged or not. I can only imagine what this thing is going to feel like in cooler weather! The exhaust is obnoxiously loud around town. I have to keep the mild-to-wild switch set to stock, then shift before 4k or else it sounds like an open pipe Sprint Cup car! It WILL draw attention!

09-02-2012, 09:54 AM	#157
RoketRdr Drives: 2010 Duramax; 2012 CTS-V Coupe Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 387	IT SOUNDS FANTASTIC!! Nice work on your part and kudos to KDI.

09-04-2012, 01:03 PM	#158
KD Innovations Drives: 2012 ZL1, 2009 CTS-V Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Staging Lanes Posts: 463	Damon sounded impressed so that is telling me a lot. Well over 100* and pulling like that is a good sign of the potential there.

09-04-2012, 01:13 PM	#159
htron50 Drives: 2017 ZL1 Status "Thank You!" Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: SC Posts: 2,498	Thanks for sharing all the pics, some of the problems modifying runs in to etc. Educational, informative, and real world great!

09-04-2012, 03:45 PM	#160
1st Gen Forever ZL1 #140 Drives: Camaros: 68 SS, 10 2SS/RS, 12 ZL1 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Arizona Posts: 594	We were seeing peak boost of 14psi. That's with a 9.1 lower and 2.55 upper. Ambient air was around 100* to 110* depending on where we were and IAT2 would rise to the 150s when getting into it up to the triple digit speeds then it would cool right away when getting out of the power. It transitions from vacuum to boost right away when stepping into it. Engine temps stayed down around 190* unless I was in city traffic then it would climb to 200* but I never saw it up to 210* unless I shut the car off hot. In that situation it would be warm when starting and cool right down quickly.

09-05-2012, 08:14 AM	#163
KD Innovations Drives: 2012 ZL1, 2009 CTS-V Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Staging Lanes Posts: 463	I run 160's and see temps of 173 in the ZL1 and 182 in the CTS-V. Both are very stable and never go up more than about 5*.

09-05-2012, 08:58 PM	#165
1st Gen Forever ZL1 #140 Drives: Camaros: 68 SS, 10 2SS/RS, 12 ZL1 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Arizona Posts: 594	Welcome to the party Damon!

09-06-2012, 12:14 PM	#166
2012ZL1 CaRaHoLiC Drives: '12 ZL1,67 Cam,68 Biscayne 427 4 sp Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: B.C. Canada Posts: 1,701	sweet vid.....1st gen forever...you remind me of the cheetos guy with the sunglasses and the cool attitude..ha ha. Good vid...