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rpepka · 09-12-2012, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Big C CamaroSS

The Big 3 are asking the CAW for "......deep concessions that would have a long and lasting effect on our members". Gee I wonder how many concessions the top tier at the Big 3 made to help out their companies. My guess is not much

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Nothing has been communicated to us about how a strike would affect us (Goodyear Napanee tire plant). I don't know if that's a good thing or not. We don't make the 305/35/20 Eagle F1 tires for the ZL1, but if other GM plants slowed down or went on strike, THAT would affect us. I hope both sides are able to work out a new agreement that helps everyone.

The effects could be world wide. Canada's economy is not a mirror of the worlds. I guess it is your you to decide if you even what the factory's there based on what the owners of the factory's are offering?

mechanic1 · 09-12-2012, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by rpepka

In your opinion what do you think that would look like?

Strike for lets say 2 week while your government make the legislation?

or... the threat of your government doing that averting the strike totally?

The work continuing under an old contract extension until the details of the new one could be worked out?

Might have some positive impact on pre-deadline negotiations.........they may try a strike still but likely wouldnt last more than a week.........force workers back under old contract and then have a govt arbitrator oversee talks..........best guess

rpepka · 09-12-2012, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by mechanic1

Might have some positive impact on pre-deadline negotiations.........they may try a strike still but likely wouldnt last more than a week.........force workers back under old contract and then have a govt arbitrator oversee talks..........best guess

I could live with that as long as mine is the first one in line to be built!

rpepka · 09-12-2012, 01:26 PM

If Canadian Auto Workers union strikes, impact would quickly hit US factories, dealers
By Associated Press, Updated: Wednesday, September 12, 1:27 PM

DETROIT — If Canadian Auto Workers go on strike against Detroit’s three automakers next week, the impact will be felt quickly in the U.S.

Negotiations between the CAW and Chrysler, General Motors and Ford have hit a rough patch with less than a week to go before contracts expire on Monday night. The companies are trying to cut costs and the union is refusing their demands for concessions. On Wednesday, the union told workers to prepare for a strike and said negotiations haven’t been going well.

GM, Chrysler and Ford manufacture popular models at Canadian plants that would soon be in short supply. CAW workers also make key engine parts and other components for U.S.-built cars.

A strike would be felt in some U.S. factories in a week or less, said Michael Robinet, managing director of IHS Automotive, an industry consulting firm that tracks and forecasts auto production. Dealers could quickly run short of some models, largely because they haven’t built up stocks due to higher demand for cars and trucks in the U.S., Robinet said.

“There’s not a lot of extra inventory out there,” he said. “There hasn’t been a lot of opportunity to build strike banks.”

In Canada, GM makes the Chevrolet Camaro, Impala and Equinox, along with the Buick Regal, Cadillac XTS and GMC Terrain. Chrysler makes minivans and the Dodge Challenger and Charger, Chrysler 300, and Ram Cargo Van in Canada. The Ford Edge and Flex and the Lincoln MKX and MKT are made near Toronto.

Canada has lost the currency and health care cost advantages it once had over the U.S., and U.S. auto workers have made concessions that Canadian workers haven’t. Auto companies say Canada is now the most expensive place in the world to make cars and trucks. They say they could move production south if the CAW doesn’t cut costs. The union says talks have been disappointing so far.

“Over the last few days, meetings have picked up and are now taking place more frequently,” the CAW statement to members said. “These meetings have not yielded many results.”

The CAW has complained that it’s facing unprecedented demands from the companies that would cut wages for new hires, eliminate cost-of-living adjustments and dramatically change pension plans. Automakers want to eliminate full pensions for employees with 30 years of service, start a defined contribution pension plan and cut prescription drug benefits. The union also says that the companies are refusing to commit to any new investments in Canada. The union says it is working around the clock to fight the demands and reach an agreement.

At stake is the future of Canada’s auto industry, which is mainly in Ontario near Toronto and Windsor.

Last month, CAW members voted to strike all three companies if they don’t get agreements by Monday’s deadline. Such a vote is standard procedure during contract talks. The last CAW strike was in 1996, against General Motors.

But Robinet said the auto companies, mindful that high labor costs contributed to the 2009 financial crisis that sent GM and Chrysler into bankruptcy protection, may be more willing to withstand a strike than in the past.

“I don’t think they would be shy about taking one if they have to,” he said. “There’s definitely a longer-term view that needs to be installed here.”

The companies, though, aren’t talking like a strike is imminent. Mark Fields, Ford’s president of the Americas, said Monday that the company wants to reach a deal. “Our whole approach is to have a fair agreement with our employees but also improve the competitiveness of our operations up there,” he said.

The CAW represents about 4,500 workers at Ford, 8,000 workers at GM and another 8,000 at Chrysler. Auto production in Canada peaked at 3.2 million cars in 1999, about 17.4 percent of North American production. In 2011, Canada produced 2.1 million vehicles, or about 16 percent. ____ Associated Press Writer Charmaine Noronha in Toronto and Auto Writer Dee-Ann Durbin in Flat Rock, Mich., contributed to this report

Copyright 2012 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

Big C CamaroSS · 09-12-2012, 01:33 PM

I think we only build tires for the Ford plant vehicles. I hope for A LOT of people's sake it doesn't come to a strike!! So many people will be affected :(. I'll keep an eye on this thread for more of your updates rpepka.

gonabite · 09-12-2012, 06:40 PM

Go ahead strike fight for good pay and benefits, you deserve it CAW. Worst case they move the work back to the US where the article says is cheaper to build anyway, creating more jobs in the U.S. and building an American car in America.

rpepka · 09-12-2012, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by gonabite

Go ahead strike fight for good pay and benefits, you deserve it CAW. Worst case they move the work back to the US where the article says is cheaper to build anyway, creating more jobs in the U.S. and building an American car in America.

How long will it take to make that happen and what would be the cost?

mechanic1 · 09-12-2012, 08:04 PM

If GM doesnt get what they want in this contract, they will most likely pull out of Canada in 2016.............thats per the agreements with the Canadian govt...........then the states would build the next gen camaro, all 4 cylinders of it.......

Scott@Bjorn3D · 09-12-2012, 08:45 PM

Yeah this is going to end in a mess and probably end GM in Canada. If they can make them cheaper here they will move when contract is up with Canadian goverment.

I do not know how Canada's workers take to strike talks as far as quality of product goes. I know my new SS is supposed to be built next week but it may not be built well if they act the way their American counter parts have acted in the past.

rpepka · 09-12-2012, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by mechanic1

If GM doesnt get what they want in this contract, they will most likely pull out of Canada in 2016.............thats per the agreements with the Canadian govt...........then the states would build the next gen camaro, all 4 cylinders of it.......

Very interesting, thanks for the info.

JFWJR179 · 09-12-2012, 09:04 PM

If the CAW union is trying to intimidate GM, Ford, Chrysler by
using strike preparation talks/pamphlets as a "Threat"
Then they must follow through and go on strike, because if they do not
strike, then the big 3 auto manufacturing companies have forever called
the CAW's bluff.

Then after the CAW union accepts the new contracts from all of the big 3, those 3 companies will begin the gradual moving of production to the USA and
other locations with lower labor costs and they will invest zero capital in
the auto production plants in Canada.
By the time the next contract is up for re-negotiation there will be no jobs
left to protect. Remember Caterpillar ?

rpepka · 09-12-2012, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by JFWJR179

If the CAW union is trying to intimidate GM, Ford, Chrysler by
using strike preparation talks/pamphlets as a "Threat"
Then they must follow through and go on strike, because if they do not
strike, then the big 3 auto manufacturing companies have forever called
the CAW's bluff.

Then after the CAW union accepts the new contracts from all of the big 3, those 3 companies will begin the gradual moving of production to the USA and
other locations with lower labor costs and they will invest zero capital in
the auto production plants in Canada.
By the time the next contract is up for re-negotiation there will be no jobs
left to protect. Remember Caterpillar ?

That seems like a very realistic prediction.

Tally Ho · 09-12-2012, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Fixer

It's good to know Bowling Green is not a union shop...

...or is it????

The Bowling Green Corvette Assembly Plant is UAW. Always has been.

rpepka · 09-13-2012, 04:14 AM

The Canadian Auto Workers union said Wednesday it is continuing strike preparations as a Monday contract deadline with the Detroit automakers looms.

Such a strike could halt production of more than a dozen vehicles built in Canada and hamper production throughout North America.

The list of vehicles that Detroit's Big Three build exclusively in Canada is long and includes the all-new 2013 Cadillac XTS, which hit dealer lots in the past few months; four Ford and Lincoln crossovers; and Chrysler's flagship 300 sedan and Chrysler and Dodge minivans.

"Would a strike hurt? Oh, yeah," said Kristin Dzickek, director of the labor and industry group at the Center for Automotive Research. "It would probably hurt Chrysler and GM more than Ford."

Automakers have worked extensively in past years to match production with demand, but now may be handcuffed by that very strategy.

"Given this current environment, when you have a cut-off in supply, it's more damaging than before the recession, because now there's not really an excess inventory," said Tom Libby, lead analyst of North America forecasting for Polk.

"In some models, there's shortages."

For example, LMC Automotive says the Chevrolet Equinox — produced in Canada only and GM's second best-selling vehicle this year in the U.S. behind the Chevy Cruze compact — had a 41-day supply at the end of August.

The Chevy Impala, built at GM's Oshawa assembly plant, had just a 25-day supply. The Dodge Caravan had a 27-day supply.

Vehicles with days-supply in the 20s indicate "a severe shortage," and if production stopped on those vehicles it "would hinder sales immediately," Libby said.
Impact in the U.S.

Outside of Canada, an extended strike by the CAW could ripple and hinder production by Detroit's Big Three in the U.S. The last CAW strike against GM in 1996 lasted three weeks.

Ford, for example, builds V-8 and V-10 engines at its Windsor and Essex engine plants.

Those engines power such U.S.-made vehicles as the E-Series vans, F-150 pickups, Expedition and Navigator SUVs, and F-450 and F-550 chassis cabs.

Ford may be helped by the fact that 44 percent of F-150s sold in the U.S. are now equipped with a V-6 EcoBoost engine instead of V-8 engines made in Canada.
CAMI would feel effects

GM's CAMI Automotive plant in Ingersoll is not part of the CAW's current negotiations and will not strike, said Shannon Devine, the CAW's communications director.

A long strike, however, would impact the CAMI plant, which is the sole producer of the Chevrolet Equinox and GMC Terrain. Transmissions required for vehicle assembly come from GM's St. Catharines plant and some stamping parts come from GM's Oshawa facilities, said Devine and CAW Local 199 Vice President Brent Tree.

About 2,800 hourly workers at the CAMI plant are under a contract that expires in September 2013.

CAMI is running three shifts, six days a week.

"I can't say what the company has stockpiled," Tree said. "I have no idea, but eventually it would adversely affect the facility."

Ford, GM and Chrysler have remained silent on contingency plans should more than 18,000 CAW members strike; all three have options should a strike drag out, although those options are limited.

North American operations are running at full capacity, limiting ability to shift production from Canada to the U.S. or Mexico.

"It's not a good situation for the CAW," said Joe Langley, senior analyst of North American forecasts at researcher LMC Automotive in Troy. "CAW's leverage is kind of gone because of plant flexibility."
Key products affected

Analysts said a work stoppage could hurt some of the automakers' most important products and competitors in key segments.

LMC says the luxury Cadillac XTS has an 85-day supply, built up as part of the launch, and Langely said that should get it through its initial sales push.

GM through August has sold 4,650 Cadillac XTS units. In late August, Chase Hawkins, U.S. vice president of Cadillac sales and service, said most U.S. Cadillac dealers were just getting their first shipments of the XTS.

Chrysler exclusively builds its Dodge Grand Caravan, Chrysler Town & Country, Chrysler 300 and Dodge Charger and Challenger in Canada.

GM will move some production of its Equinox later this year to Spring Hill Assembly Plant in Tennessee, which is reopening, and will shift production of the Impala to the Detroit-Hamtramck assembly plant early next year.

khenkel@detnews.com

(313) 222-2504

From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2...#ixzz26L6HR857

09-12-2012, 01:26 PM	#46
rpepka Drives: 2013 ZL1 # 2195 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Bradenton, FL Posts: 965	If Canadian Auto Workers union strikes, impact would quickly hit US factories, dealers By Associated Press, Updated: Wednesday, September 12, 1:27 PM DETROIT — If Canadian Auto Workers go on strike against Detroit’s three automakers next week, the impact will be felt quickly in the U.S. Negotiations between the CAW and Chrysler, General Motors and Ford have hit a rough patch with less than a week to go before contracts expire on Monday night. The companies are trying to cut costs and the union is refusing their demands for concessions. On Wednesday, the union told workers to prepare for a strike and said negotiations haven’t been going well. GM, Chrysler and Ford manufacture popular models at Canadian plants that would soon be in short supply. CAW workers also make key engine parts and other components for U.S.-built cars. A strike would be felt in some U.S. factories in a week or less, said Michael Robinet, managing director of IHS Automotive, an industry consulting firm that tracks and forecasts auto production. Dealers could quickly run short of some models, largely because they haven’t built up stocks due to higher demand for cars and trucks in the U.S., Robinet said. “There’s not a lot of extra inventory out there,” he said. “There hasn’t been a lot of opportunity to build strike banks.” In Canada, GM makes the Chevrolet Camaro, Impala and Equinox, along with the Buick Regal, Cadillac XTS and GMC Terrain. Chrysler makes minivans and the Dodge Challenger and Charger, Chrysler 300, and Ram Cargo Van in Canada. The Ford Edge and Flex and the Lincoln MKX and MKT are made near Toronto. Canada has lost the currency and health care cost advantages it once had over the U.S., and U.S. auto workers have made concessions that Canadian workers haven’t. Auto companies say Canada is now the most expensive place in the world to make cars and trucks. They say they could move production south if the CAW doesn’t cut costs. The union says talks have been disappointing so far. “Over the last few days, meetings have picked up and are now taking place more frequently,” the CAW statement to members said. “These meetings have not yielded many results.” The CAW has complained that it’s facing unprecedented demands from the companies that would cut wages for new hires, eliminate cost-of-living adjustments and dramatically change pension plans. Automakers want to eliminate full pensions for employees with 30 years of service, start a defined contribution pension plan and cut prescription drug benefits. The union also says that the companies are refusing to commit to any new investments in Canada. The union says it is working around the clock to fight the demands and reach an agreement. At stake is the future of Canada’s auto industry, which is mainly in Ontario near Toronto and Windsor. Last month, CAW members voted to strike all three companies if they don’t get agreements by Monday’s deadline. Such a vote is standard procedure during contract talks. The last CAW strike was in 1996, against General Motors. But Robinet said the auto companies, mindful that high labor costs contributed to the 2009 financial crisis that sent GM and Chrysler into bankruptcy protection, may be more willing to withstand a strike than in the past. “I don’t think they would be shy about taking one if they have to,” he said. “There’s definitely a longer-term view that needs to be installed here.” The companies, though, aren’t talking like a strike is imminent. Mark Fields, Ford’s president of the Americas, said Monday that the company wants to reach a deal. “Our whole approach is to have a fair agreement with our employees but also improve the competitiveness of our operations up there,” he said. The CAW represents about 4,500 workers at Ford, 8,000 workers at GM and another 8,000 at Chrysler. Auto production in Canada peaked at 3.2 million cars in 1999, about 17.4 percent of North American production. In 2011, Canada produced 2.1 million vehicles, or about 16 percent. ____ Associated Press Writer Charmaine Noronha in Toronto and Auto Writer Dee-Ann Durbin in Flat Rock, Mich., contributed to this report Copyright 2012 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed. __________________ http://www.sarasotahomestore.com/

09-13-2012, 04:14 AM	#56
rpepka Drives: 2013 ZL1 # 2195 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Bradenton, FL Posts: 965	The Canadian Auto Workers union said Wednesday it is continuing strike preparations as a Monday contract deadline with the Detroit automakers looms. Such a strike could halt production of more than a dozen vehicles built in Canada and hamper production throughout North America. The list of vehicles that Detroit's Big Three build exclusively in Canada is long and includes the all-new 2013 Cadillac XTS, which hit dealer lots in the past few months; four Ford and Lincoln crossovers; and Chrysler's flagship 300 sedan and Chrysler and Dodge minivans. "Would a strike hurt? Oh, yeah," said Kristin Dzickek, director of the labor and industry group at the Center for Automotive Research. "It would probably hurt Chrysler and GM more than Ford." Automakers have worked extensively in past years to match production with demand, but now may be handcuffed by that very strategy. "Given this current environment, when you have a cut-off in supply, it's more damaging than before the recession, because now there's not really an excess inventory," said Tom Libby, lead analyst of North America forecasting for Polk. "In some models, there's shortages." For example, LMC Automotive says the Chevrolet Equinox — produced in Canada only and GM's second best-selling vehicle this year in the U.S. behind the Chevy Cruze compact — had a 41-day supply at the end of August. The Chevy Impala, built at GM's Oshawa assembly plant, had just a 25-day supply. The Dodge Caravan had a 27-day supply. Vehicles with days-supply in the 20s indicate "a severe shortage," and if production stopped on those vehicles it "would hinder sales immediately," Libby said. Impact in the U.S. Outside of Canada, an extended strike by the CAW could ripple and hinder production by Detroit's Big Three in the U.S. The last CAW strike against GM in 1996 lasted three weeks. Ford, for example, builds V-8 and V-10 engines at its Windsor and Essex engine plants. Those engines power such U.S.-made vehicles as the E-Series vans, F-150 pickups, Expedition and Navigator SUVs, and F-450 and F-550 chassis cabs. Ford may be helped by the fact that 44 percent of F-150s sold in the U.S. are now equipped with a V-6 EcoBoost engine instead of V-8 engines made in Canada. CAMI would feel effects GM's CAMI Automotive plant in Ingersoll is not part of the CAW's current negotiations and will not strike, said Shannon Devine, the CAW's communications director. A long strike, however, would impact the CAMI plant, which is the sole producer of the Chevrolet Equinox and GMC Terrain. Transmissions required for vehicle assembly come from GM's St. Catharines plant and some stamping parts come from GM's Oshawa facilities, said Devine and CAW Local 199 Vice President Brent Tree. About 2,800 hourly workers at the CAMI plant are under a contract that expires in September 2013. CAMI is running three shifts, six days a week. "I can't say what the company has stockpiled," Tree said. "I have no idea, but eventually it would adversely affect the facility." Ford, GM and Chrysler have remained silent on contingency plans should more than 18,000 CAW members strike; all three have options should a strike drag out, although those options are limited. North American operations are running at full capacity, limiting ability to shift production from Canada to the U.S. or Mexico. "It's not a good situation for the CAW," said Joe Langley, senior analyst of North American forecasts at researcher LMC Automotive in Troy. "CAW's leverage is kind of gone because of plant flexibility." Key products affected Analysts said a work stoppage could hurt some of the automakers' most important products and competitors in key segments. LMC says the luxury Cadillac XTS has an 85-day supply, built up as part of the launch, and Langely said that should get it through its initial sales push. GM through August has sold 4,650 Cadillac XTS units. In late August, Chase Hawkins, U.S. vice president of Cadillac sales and service, said most U.S. Cadillac dealers were just getting their first shipments of the XTS. Chrysler exclusively builds its Dodge Grand Caravan, Chrysler Town & Country, Chrysler 300 and Dodge Charger and Challenger in Canada. GM will move some production of its Equinox later this year to Spring Hill Assembly Plant in Tennessee, which is reopening, and will shift production of the Impala to the Detroit-Hamtramck assembly plant early next year. khenkel@detnews.com (313) 222-2504 From The Detroit News: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2...#ixzz26L6HR857 __________________ http://www.sarasotahomestore.com/

09-12-2012, 01:33 PM	#47
Big C CamaroSS Drives: Black Camaro 2SS/RS 1LE Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Belleville, Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,145	I think we only build tires for the Ford plant vehicles. I hope for A LOT of people's sake it doesn't come to a strike!! So many people will be affected :(. I'll keep an eye on this thread for more of your updates rpepka.

09-12-2012, 06:40 PM	#48
gonabite Drives: 2016 CTS V Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: The Drag Strip Posts: 76	Go ahead strike fight for good pay and benefits, you deserve it CAW. Worst case they move the work back to the US where the article says is cheaper to build anyway, creating more jobs in the U.S. and building an American car in America.

09-12-2012, 08:04 PM	#50
mechanic1 Drives: 2013 ZL1 Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: oshawa Posts: 254	If GM doesnt get what they want in this contract, they will most likely pull out of Canada in 2016.............thats per the agreements with the Canadian govt...........then the states would build the next gen camaro, all 4 cylinders of it.......

09-12-2012, 08:45 PM	#51
Scott@Bjorn3D Drives: Kami, 2013 2SS LS3 Luvin Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Eufaula, Alabama Posts: 6,427	Yeah this is going to end in a mess and probably end GM in Canada. If they can make them cheaper here they will move when contract is up with Canadian goverment. I do not know how Canada's workers take to strike talks as far as quality of product goes. I know my new SS is supposed to be built next week but it may not be built well if they act the way their American counter parts have acted in the past.

09-12-2012, 09:04 PM	#53
JFWJR179 Drives: 2022 Camaro ZL1 Convertible A10 Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 382	If the CAW union is trying to intimidate GM, Ford, Chrysler by using strike preparation talks/pamphlets as a "Threat" Then they must follow through and go on strike, because if they do not strike, then the big 3 auto manufacturing companies have forever called the CAW's bluff. Then after the CAW union accepts the new contracts from all of the big 3, those 3 companies will begin the gradual moving of production to the USA and other locations with lower labor costs and they will invest zero capital in the auto production plants in Canada. By the time the next contract is up for re-negotiation there will be no jobs left to protect. Remember Caterpillar ?