PNW BS Thread-"Come On In"!

[RED DEMON SS]

Originally Posted by JEEPFREEKSCOTTY

Well, here's an option to actually DELETE the DOD/AFM, rather than only having a tune disable it via the ECM. (includes LS7 lifters)

http://texas-speed.com/p-717-dod-afm-delete-kit.aspx

Do not just tune out the ECM big mistake because you will still have AFM lifters and it could cause a catastrophic failure regardless of what anyone says don't buy that bag of beans!! Do it right the first time, delete valley, lifter change(all 16 lifters not just 8), Cam(3 bolt not single), pushrods, roller rockers, timing chain, timing gears, pin your crank(buy tool worth the money), port your heads while you are in there, also make sure some one is competent who does the work if not doing it yourself! Also the tune will take care of the rest...
Also your reasoning for FI is non-sense and don't let anyone tell you different, you can be Forced Induction and still use your whip as a daily driver!

So i agree with Chappy in this respect!

[With envy]

Janet, does this look anything like the Flowmasters you've got? (With the exception of the J-pipes!)



Scotty will recognize them! Maybe we have the solution to each others problems!

[RED DEMON SS]

[GEEKFREEKSCOTTY]

Originally Posted by chappy48

Mind if I ask really quick why you've ruled out FI? Is it a personaly preference? Just to give you my experience I started with a CAI, Longtubes and a Maggie and it drove like stock. The only difference was when I started to get on it a little and started getting into the boost. That's when it would really take off. I almost miss those days because I still had some decent traction back in the low 500rwhp range lol.

I have 2 reasons for not going FI.

1: I was worried about being able to use it as a daily driver, as I've seen a couple guys with superchargers that can barely drive it lower than 10mph without them stalling. Though I have a feeling it was due to the cam they chose.

2: The primary reason is budget. It's not just the cost of the supercharger itself. But, it's also the added expense of all the supporting mods to do it right. (axles, transmission upgrades, forged mains, ported heads, etc.)

I just don't have the $15K - $20K it would take to do it right. Especially since I only bought the car in April and it'll be at least 4 years before i pay it off.

From everything I've learned, it seems that 500HP is the magic number. If i stay around 450 - 470HP, I can get away with not having to upgrade so many tertiary components. Thus, making it a lot more affordable for me to upgrade the horses in my pony car.

[GEEKFREEKSCOTTY]

Originally Posted by Farthestnorth

Do not just tune out the ECM big mistake because you will still have AFM lifters and it cause a catastrophic failure regardless of what anyone says do buy that bag of beans!! Do it right the first time, delete valley, lifter change(all 16 lifters not just 8), Cam(3 bolt not single), pushrods, roller rockers, timing chain, timing gears, pin your crank(buy tool worth the money), port your heads while you are in there, also make sure some one is competent who does the work if not doing it yourself! Also the tune will take care of the rest...
Also your reasoning for FI is non-sense and don't let anyone tell you different, you can be Forced Induction and still use your whip as a daily driver!

So i agree with Chappy in this respect!

So, in order of importance, do you think the LS3 conversion with a streetable cam is a higher priority than headers and HF Cats?

[RED DEMON SS]

Originally Posted by JEEPFREEKSCOTTY

So, in order of importance, do you think the LS3 conversion with a streetable cam is a higher priority than headers and HF Cats?

No not at all but if you do go to the motor do it all while your in there if you get my drift? It's much cheaper that way, also i would not get HF Cats, i would totally get rid of the cats all together and go with straight pipes. They have a tendency to melt on the inside, this is documented in many build threads on this site! High Flow should have an acronym of MM instead, MAD MELTDOWN! lol

[GEEKFREEKSCOTTY]

Originally Posted by Farthestnorth

No not at all but if you do go to the motor do it all while your in there if you get my drift? It's much cheaper that way, also i would not get HF Cats, i would totally get rid of the cats all together and go with straight pipes. They have a tendency to melt on the inside, this is documented in many build threads on this site! High Flow should have an acronym of MM instead, MAD MELTDOWN! lol

Yup. I get what you're saying. Do all the internal engine work i have planned for my build at the same time, since I'll have the engine opened up.

[1hotchevy]

Originally Posted by JEEPFREEKSCOTTY

I have 2 reasons for not going FI.

1: I was worried about being able to use it as a daily driver, as I've seen a couple guys with superchargers that can barely drive it lower than 10mph without them stalling. Though I have a feeling it was due to the cam they chose.

2: The primary reason is budget. It's not just the cost of the supercharger itself. But, it's also the added expense of all the supporting mods to do it right. (axles, transmission upgrades, forged mains, ported heads, etc.)

I just don't have the $15K - $20K it would take to do it right. Especially since I only bought the car in April and it'll be at least 4 years before i pay it off.

From everything I've learned, it seems that 500HP is the magic number. If i stay around 450 - 470HP, I can get away with not having to upgrade so many tertiary components. Thus, making it a lot more affordable for me to upgrade the horses in my pony car.

I agree with you, i cannot justify spending that kind of money just so i can say i have a super charger, if i was going to the track on a weekly basis i would for sure do this mod and everything that goes with it, but my daily driver already can pass most anything i come up against, just yesterday a gen 4 and i were chatting and he sais...lets see what she will do! i agreed as i hadnt been up against a gen4 yet...so at the green...i left him about 2 car lenghts behind me...he gave me the thumbs up and we went on our ways....was great fun, right now im at about 435 hp with a few mods and next week i add another that will take me to about 450hp...im thinking with a good tune that i should be around 455-460hp....plenty for my daily driver, its a 6 speed so making it much more would make it not so drivable when the traffic is cruising at a break neck speed of 3-5 mph!!

[Ladybugsmom]

Scott, do you have to get emissions testing where you are?? New cars are exempt for 5 years, but after that.... You probably need to keep the cats.

[GEEKFREEKSCOTTY]

Originally Posted by Ladybugsmom

Scott, do you have to get emissions testing where you are?? New cars are exempt for 5 years, but after that.... You probably need to keep the cats.

Sure.. I have to get the emissions done.. but these days, they just plug a computer into the OBD2 port and pull the data off the ECU.

Though, I'm not sure if you can program whatever sensor monitors the cats to give a false "positive" to the emissions test computer.

Definitely will be something that I'd research and look into before deciding exactly what to do. There are a lot of high-flow cats out there that flow nearly as well as pure straight pipes.

As far as them melting down, I'd definitely be doing my homework before committing to buying.

Those that know me well, know that I'm very picky when it comes to my car (and other things).

Just about anything I buy or project I do, I research the hell out of all the options, read reviews, ask questions of end users, and decide the best way to get it accomplished.

Then, I put in a lot of effort to find the best deal on it. Anything over $100 is RARELY an "impulse buy".

Ask my wife, she'll tell you how OCD I can be when buying something.

[heRS]

Heh - register it to my address, I live out in the sticks and we don't have to test for emissions.

[Iroczlover]

Originally Posted by heRS

Heh - register it to my address, I live out in the sticks and we don't have to test for emissions.

oh I love sticks lol, We dont have to test for emissions either here,
but I heard that washington state is going away from emission testing.

[Dragonlady]

Originally Posted by heRS

Heh - register it to my address, I live out in the sticks and we don't have to test for emissions.

No emissions for us either! We don't belong to anyone

[RED DEMON SS]

No emissions here either, of course i am a part of a group you may have heard of? The land of Misfit Camaro's!