Logical Induction... help my narrow mind understand this paradox

[strych9]

Maybe it's just because they enjoy taking a vehicle of their choice, and turning it into something that it isn't. Isn't that the roots of modding, anyway? Pulling fenders off of a coupe to make it a bucket? Building a "funny car" for the track?

Your entire, original hypothesis is completely wrong. Enthusiasts just want to convert whatever they own into something different than what it is. Others just buy for other reasons.

[CamaroSkooter]

So you're saying I should show up to a gunfight with a Barrett Model 82A1, even though it can cost easily upwards of $15k?

Or, for that same $15k I could buy several smaller firearms that will do harm just as easily and effectively?

[rez333]

Analogies are just simple illustrations meant to explain a simple point.

What you're doing is mutating that to prove a different point instead of just understanding what the original analogy was trying to say. Ie. you're being argumentative.

Don't bring a knife to a gun fight. That is all.

[rez333]

Originally Posted by strych9

Maybe it's just because they enjoy taking a vehicle of their choice, and turning it into something that it isn't. Isn't that the roots of modding, anyway? Pulling fenders off of a coupe to make it a bucket? Building a "funny car" for the track?

Your entire, original hypothesis is completely wrong. Enthusiasts just want to convert whatever they own into something different than what it is. Others just buy for other reasons.

Huh? Your argument is basically saying: "people put food in their mouths so they can chew" (ie. a pointless obvious statement)

Nobody is debating for or against that "enthusiasts" (I call them ricers, but whatever) are converting what they own into something different than what it is. Duh. If they're not converting it, then there's no point of my opening question!

The debate is about their motives. If one betrays their motives by modding with a "RWD race car" bias, then it shows their ignorance when they start with a "FWD econobox".

http://www.riceboypage.com/index.html

[Atlas]

I understand what your saying, but the soldier analgoy is pushing it. Motorsports isn't a life or death affair. I'll leave it at that.

I stated there are significant advantages to certain platforms. Yes I've competed in open track. My previous car was a 2ZZGE MR-S. The point I was trying to make was that learning the merits of an FF platform gives you a wider grasp on different methods of car control. Like I said before, FF is more forgiving to novice drivers, but it takes a skilled one to make it go fast. Isn't that why we do this hobby? To further improve our skill set? Now im not defending all FF owners here, nor am I for or against certain platforms, but to answer your original question more plainly, some drivers choose to modify and race an FF platform simply based on the feel and handling characteristics. Not always to be the fastest. Its a layout that suits them. Who are we to judge.

[CamaroSkooter]

I can haz cheezburger?

[Atlas]

Can only haz if you share moar picz of that sexay piston Sig in your sig

[CamaroSkooter]

[Atlas]

OMG

You can haz two cheezes

[CamaroSkooter]

oooo Carl's Jr. / Hardee's chicks

(I like the blonde one)

[GbrilliantQ]

Originally Posted by Sir Nuke

rez333.....the people you are talking about have these on their table at every dinner ..... need we say more?? nuff said......

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I have that titanium spork. Loves it.
Now from my experience a fwd car does handle snow better. But that's about it.

Sent from my Galaxy Note

[CamaroSkooter]

I'll bet an AWD car handles snow even better than a FWD car

[rez333]

Originally Posted by Atlas

I understand what your saying, but the soldier analgoy is pushing it. Motorsports isn't a life or death affair. I'll leave it at that.

I stated there are significant advantages to certain platforms. Yes I've competed in open track. My previous car was a 2ZZGE MR-S. The point I was trying to make was that learning the merits of an FF platform gives you a wider grasp on different methods of car control. Like I said before, FF is more forgiving to novice drivers, but it takes a skilled one to make it go fast. Isn't that why we do this hobby? To further improve our skill set? Now im not defending all FF owners here, nor am I for or against certain platforms, but to answer your original question more plainly, some drivers choose to modify and race an FF platform simply based on the feel and handling characteristics. Not always to be the fastest. Its a layout that suits them. Who are we to judge.

I understand what you're saying, however your arguments only reflect the motivations of a very small percentage of people who "rice up" their FWD econoboxes.

I only have experience with this sort of thing with 2 people: one person is my friend (Civic) and the other I know of(Fit), but haven't bumped into him to really talk to him. The Fit guy has a Fit that looks almost identical to the one pictured on the first page, except with metallic blue rims.

So I talked to my friend and asked him about things without being too direct about it lest it be construed as rudeness. He owns an S4 now, so I feel more at liberty to ask him since he owns a "real car" now. He was given the Civic as a teenager from his mom and being a car enthusiast he modded it with a turbo. From the outside, it is completely unmodified aesthetically.

I get that. In fact this thread isn't really targetted at financially challenged and image-conscious teenagers. It's targetted at presumably mature, self-confident and financially secure adults. When you're young, you're experimenting with life to determine your preferences; you wear fake branded t-shirts. When you're working, presumably you want to live a real life. In Russia, you can actually pay people to give you virtual vacations: they take a pic of you and photoshop you into a scene of a landmark from another country; the goal being you pin it up and everybody thinks you've been on a real vacation.

What's the point of that? It isn't real. Your life isn't better than the Russian next door who didn't go on a vacation either.

Anyway, the answer I think to my question is "ignorance". The guy with limited means cannot afford to experiment with the "real thing" and so doesn't realize there is actually a functional difference between his fake and the real thing. That's why we hear stories on the net about people driving unmodified Civics who think they smoked a Camaro (who wasn't racing); the only reason anyone would say something as ludicrous as that is because they've never been inside a real performance car to know the difference. Similarly people with financial means who do rice up their car do so because they don't have the desire for performance and therefore have never stepped into a performance car to understand the functional differences.

Youtube is full of ignorant people who think that because a Civic is lighter, even though it has less HP than a Camaro, it can still smoke a Camaro. Such ignorance can easily be solved by merely googling the 1/4 mile times of both cars but ignorant people like to make "gut-feel" ignorant statements and decisions.

The solution to ignorance is to ask people. "What do you think about my car?" When they realize that people think it's ridiculous, then their ignorance is lifted. Ignorant people stay ignorant because they make decisions without feedback. The world's best leaders are not the ones who come up with the best ideas, but the ones who know how to solicit ideas from the best people.

[CamaroSkooter]

So, what you're saying is, I should pay other people to think for me?

Now I know what it means to manage