--Important read-- Engine Oil Tech - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

Anthony @ LG Motorsports · 10-23-2012, 12:07 PM

This is something that everyone needs to read, if you are racing your car or just taking it to car shows your engine oil is the life blood that keeps your car running.

The more aggressive your setup, or the harder you drive your car, the oil you use becomes even more important.

Over the last 10 years, We have recorded approximately 10 failed lifters from customers in the US with our cam kits. We sell on average 150-200 cam kits per year, and more cams by themselves. 6 of these have been in the last 12 months.

Doing testing and research with oil companies, Comp Cams, and also with some of our partners in the turbo production the newer 'EPA approved' oils are reducing the anti wear additive packages more so every year and are increasing the amount of detergents in the oil. While this might sound good to keep the inside of your engine clean it is not helping on keeping the oil protecting like it should.

That is why it is more important now more so than ever for those of you tracking your car, installing bigger cams, turbo's and superchargers that you run an oil that will hold up and protect your investment.

With any of our cam kits we highly suggest the use of a quality oil with a high content of Zinc and Phosphorus. For those racing the car, a racing oil should be used. Do keep in mind most racing oils are 100% detergent free and will need to be changed frequently.

Some oils to use would be RedLine, Amsoil, Joe Gibb, Brad Penn, Valvoline VR1 series.

Further Reading...
http://www.joegibbsdriven.com/trainingcenter/tech/streetoils.htm

http://www.redlineoil.com/techinfo.aspx

http://store.forcedperformance.net/m...otor%20Oil.pdf

Zach@HeintzRacing · 10-25-2012, 09:42 AM

Very good information here guys. Again, this needs to be read by everyone. We too have came across more cam/lifter issues in the last 12 months.

Use a quality oil, and keep it changed frequently.

Zach

SC2150 · 10-25-2012, 09:47 AM

I have been building race & performance engines for over 38 years and have seen most every engine failure or wear conditon possible...and this is essentail info.

stanwilliams · 10-25-2012, 10:10 AM

What will be the effect on cars with stock CATs when using higher Zinc and Phosphorus oils??

I use Valvoline Racing oil in my race car but it says on the label not for use with CATs. The VR1 oil is a street oil and has the API SM rating on it that I think removes all the Zinc. Not sure if its any better than any other SM rated oil.

BullF-16 · 10-25-2012, 10:28 AM

The last 2 parts to my motor came in this week, the windage tray and pick up tube. HKE should finish it this week....after 7 1/2 months.

I am breaking it in using Joe Gibbs BR, break in oil

Plan on running the Joe Gibbs HR3 synthetic 15w50 after that. Expensive but so is my motor. I dont have cats, hope the O2 sensors arent affected,

/this oil has 1247 ppm zinc and 1157 ppm phosphorous. Total anti-wear is 2408 ppm

Chris-HPS · 10-25-2012, 10:52 AM

This is th every reason we use Valvoline VR1 Racing oils with all our setups.

Chris

Nessal · 10-25-2012, 03:38 PM

Is the mobil1 5w30 recommended by factory sufficient?

Nessal · 10-25-2012, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nessal

Is the mobil1 5w30 recommended by factory sufficient?

Why I ask is because my car also had the lifters go and the dealer is replacing them all and also the valves. However, i change and check my oil religiously.

SC2150 · 10-25-2012, 04:03 PM

Takes many miles for it to start to affect the cats or O2's. I would not be real worried especcially if you have a properly functioning catchcan to keep the oil out of the intake air charge.

Anthony @ LG Motorsports · 10-26-2012, 01:49 PM

Another tech article released by Joe Gibb today.

http://lgmotorsports.com/gallery/alb...tech_sheet.pdf

Casper45th · 10-26-2012, 04:04 PM

A friend of mine is a salesman for Royal Purple - industrial side. He said the reason for a lot of the changes, (reducing anti-wear additives & uping detergent), is because of EPA mandates. Anybody else hearing that kind of thing?

simon.w · 10-26-2012, 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Casper45th

A friend of mine is a salesman for Royal Purple - industrial side. He said the reason for a lot of the changes, (reducing anti-wear additives & uping detergent), is because of EPA mandates. Anybody else hearing that kind of thing?

I ran Royal Purple in my Whipple'd LS3 for 2 oil changes and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone. Have switched over to Amsoil V-Rod and not only am I ending up with far less residue in my RX Monster catch can; the Amsoil is remaining far cleaner.

SC2150 · 10-26-2012, 05:11 PM

Casper, yes, that is why M1 has reduced it and many others....I am a fan of RP purple ice & gear lube, syn trans fluid, but wont use the oil yet....cant get the guts to try it again.

Hendrix-Engineering · 10-26-2012, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BullF-16

The last 2 parts to my motor came in this week, the windage tray and pick up tube. HKE should finish it this week....after 7 1/2 months.

I am breaking it in using Joe Gibbs BR, break in oil

Plan on running the Joe Gibbs HR3 synthetic 15w50 after that. Expensive but so is my motor. I dont have cats, hope the O2 sensors arent affected,

/this oil has 1247 ppm zinc and 1157 ppm phosphorous. Total anti-wear is 2408 ppm

If you have to run 50 weight i would look for a great 5 or 10 50 weight.Check out Neo oil,we have it on our site

10-23-2012, 12:07 PM	#1
Anthony @ LG Motorsports Drives: 1994 1LE / 2006 Z51 Corvette Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Plano, TX Posts: 2,829	--Important read-- Engine Oil Tech This is something that everyone needs to read, if you are racing your car or just taking it to car shows your engine oil is the life blood that keeps your car running. The more aggressive your setup, or the harder you drive your car, the oil you use becomes even more important. Over the last 10 years, We have recorded approximately 10 failed lifters from customers in the US with our cam kits. We sell on average 150-200 cam kits per year, and more cams by themselves. 6 of these have been in the last 12 months. Doing testing and research with oil companies, Comp Cams, and also with some of our partners in the turbo production the newer 'EPA approved' oils are reducing the anti wear additive packages more so every year and are increasing the amount of detergents in the oil. While this might sound good to keep the inside of your engine clean it is not helping on keeping the oil protecting like it should. That is why it is more important now more so than ever for those of you tracking your car, installing bigger cams, turbo's and superchargers that you run an oil that will hold up and protect your investment. With any of our cam kits we highly suggest the use of a quality oil with a high content of Zinc and Phosphorus. For those racing the car, a racing oil should be used. Do keep in mind most racing oils are 100% detergent free and will need to be changed frequently. Some oils to use would be RedLine, Amsoil, Joe Gibb, Brad Penn, Valvoline VR1 series. Further Reading... http://www.joegibbsdriven.com/trainingcenter/tech/streetoils.htm http://www.redlineoil.com/techinfo.aspx http://store.forcedperformance.net/m...otor%20Oil.pdf Last edited by Anthony @ LG Motorsports; 10-23-2012 at 12:21 PM.

10-25-2012, 10:10 AM	#4
stanwilliams 3000 hp 648 ci beast Drives: 86 Outlaw 10.5 Camaro, 2SS/RS LS3 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Marion, KS Posts: 154	What will be the effect on cars with stock CATs when using higher Zinc and Phosphorus oils?? I use Valvoline Racing oil in my race car but it says on the label not for use with CATs. The VR1 oil is a street oil and has the API SM rating on it that I think removes all the Zinc. Not sure if its any better than any other SM rated oil. __________________ 2SS/RS, LS3, 6M, IOM w/black hockey, IO interior, sunroof mods: ******** setup. Whipple supercharger....Need suspension upgrades now... 4" stroker kit, ARH, cam on my wish list.

10-25-2012, 10:28 AM	#5
BullF-16 USAF retired! Thank God! Drives: 2011 1SS, 1LT red,1LT/RS SGM 98Z28 Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: North Texas Posts: 2,799	The last 2 parts to my motor came in this week, the windage tray and pick up tube. HKE should finish it this week....after 7 1/2 months. I am breaking it in using Joe Gibbs BR, break in oil Plan on running the Joe Gibbs HR3 synthetic 15w50 after that. Expensive but so is my motor. I dont have cats, hope the O2 sensors arent affected, /this oil has 1247 ppm zinc and 1157 ppm phosphorous. Total anti-wear is 2408 ppm __________________ HKE LSX427(Mast blk lbl 305 6bolt LS7heads, PatG231/246 blower cam, RWHP/TQ: 1281/1133 SNL Performance Custom Twin PT6766 BB turbos 4 to 25psi selectable on the Boost Leash controller, Squash dual 400LPH/ID2000s, ALKY 4 gal meth, Autometer AFR/Bst/oilpres/oiltemp/fuelpress gauges, Pedders Justice road crs pkg: All HD bushes, supercar 12kg coil overs, supercar ZL1 sways, camber plates all setup by JusticePete! :Gforce 9" 35spline S-Trac, 1500hp Outlaw axles, 3.5"alum DS, Monster Triple disc; 4xForgeline 19x10.5 4xBridgestone 305/30R19 RE-11, CTS-v calipers/rotors/Cobalt friction XR1/3 pads

10-25-2012, 09:42 AM	#2
Zach@HeintzRacing Drives: 2001 Turbo 275 Drag Radial Camaro Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Mooresville, NC Posts: 101	Very good information here guys. Again, this needs to be read by everyone. We too have came across more cam/lifter issues in the last 12 months. Use a quality oil, and keep it changed frequently. Zach

10-25-2012, 09:47 AM	#3
SC2150 Account Suspended Drives: 2012 Camaro RS, RX supercharged Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Bradenton, FL Posts: 6,063	I have been building race & performance engines for over 38 years and have seen most every engine failure or wear conditon possible...and this is essentail info.

10-25-2012, 10:52 AM	#6
Chris-HPS Drives: 2008Corvette Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Ga Posts: 691	This is th every reason we use Valvoline VR1 Racing oils with all our setups. Chris

10-25-2012, 03:38 PM	#7
Nessal Drives: Exige, Miata, Ghia Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: CA, Bay Area Posts: 2,309	Is the mobil1 5w30 recommended by factory sufficient?

10-25-2012, 04:03 PM	#9
SC2150 Account Suspended Drives: 2012 Camaro RS, RX supercharged Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Bradenton, FL Posts: 6,063	Takes many miles for it to start to affect the cats or O2's. I would not be real worried especcially if you have a properly functioning catchcan to keep the oil out of the intake air charge.

10-26-2012, 01:49 PM	#10
Anthony @ LG Motorsports Drives: 1994 1LE / 2006 Z51 Corvette Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Plano, TX Posts: 2,829	Another tech article released by Joe Gibb today. http://lgmotorsports.com/gallery/alb...tech_sheet.pdf

10-26-2012, 04:04 PM	#11
Casper45th Drives: 2012 45th SSRS A6 Join Date: May 2012 Location: Casper, WY Posts: 175	A friend of mine is a salesman for Royal Purple - industrial side. He said the reason for a lot of the changes, (reducing anti-wear additives & uping detergent), is because of EPA mandates. Anybody else hearing that kind of thing?

10-26-2012, 05:11 PM	#13
SC2150 Account Suspended Drives: 2012 Camaro RS, RX supercharged Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Bradenton, FL Posts: 6,063	Casper, yes, that is why M1 has reduced it and many others....I am a fan of RP purple ice & gear lube, syn trans fluid, but wont use the oil yet....cant get the guts to try it again.