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Old 01-02-2013, 11:58 PM   #1905
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Why do I have to be Teds bitch? Just bc I was his first.

For the record I spent maybe, a total of $10k this year. Nothing broke, no major changes. My dad was the one who dropped the 6 figures on his car. So this year it's my turn again to open up the wallet!!
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Old 01-03-2013, 12:52 AM   #1906
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Guess I should have used different words. The keyboard doesn't show my nicer side! No slam intended.
The competition and friendship is what its all about! BRING IT!!

Guess you have your right to your opinion, My opinion is this, The shops are there to show off what they build, design, engineer. To make a living in this industry.
But yet the majority doesn't want them on the list that they first created???
Why????
Why would this be different from an individual building the same thing? I dont see much of anything on the fast cars that someone couldn't buy and build themselves.
I would just about bet, records will be broken by an individual in 2013 in the fast list. So if that happens, would it be safe to let the shop cars back in?
Well, not sure if we are talking about only the list here or the fest.

I'd say for the fest anyway one of the things is that there can only be so many categories. Guys like me (and personally I don't care but I know some that do) who have FI but can't even come close to 10s much less 9s are in the same category as the shop cars.

A simple FI car with stock internals and no spray can't compete with a TT 427.

So are we talking about this list only or the fest brackets?

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First of all Mlee's is gonna start cracking skulls bc this discussion shouldn't be going on in the area. But I saw him drag race his ZL and he's lucky he's allowed anywhere near the drag racing section!!














He did miss his auto though.
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Old 01-03-2013, 01:37 AM   #1907
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Old 01-03-2013, 11:05 AM   #1908
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Guys, what I've done in my suggestion is open the possibility of a seperate list for shop built and owned cars. There's no need to re-vamp the entire 1st page. The Shop Car List is a great way for forum sponsors to get recognition and promote themselves.
If "shop" cars are going to be separated out from lists 6 and 7 onto their own lists, why aren't the shop cars separated out on list 5? Aren't the top 3 cars pretty much "shop" cars? Close enough.
That's why I suggested simplifying and that's why I'd prefer to see a few of these lists combined.
Simple is having an N/A list and a power adder list. Nothing should be separated out, unless the car doesn't have a VIN (to filter out the body in white and COPO's).
Stock displacement has no place on a list like this since someone could build 376 inches of high compression 8500rpm or low compression big boost.
Stock shortblock/stock bottom end makes more sense if you feel the need to split them...but I don't.
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Old 01-03-2013, 06:24 PM   #1909
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Just reposting since I seem to not be listed.

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L99 A6
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18in Drag radials rear, Stock Pzero fronts
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r/t-.213
60- 1.648
330- 4.786
1/8- 7.380
MPH- 94.88
1000- 9.603
1/4- 11.491
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You're on the excel sheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...3lLN01OSlUwN2c

The thread only shows the top 20. Just crank up the boost!!!
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Old 01-03-2013, 07:54 PM   #1910
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I don't see why we care who builds or owns the car either. I agree with you, If I remember correctly the original idea was to make the stock displacement list the "stock bottom end list". I don't think it was thought of at the time as being the difference it has become. Those guys pushing stock internal blocks should be on a list of their own. The risks they take to make big numbers on stock internals deserves the credit. If it stays like this could we end up separating the 408s, 416s, 417s and 427s.
Heads make power, not inches. N/A is N/A.
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Stock displacement has no place on a list like this since someone could build 376 inches of high compression 8500rpm or low compression big boost.
Stock shortblock/stock bottom end makes more sense if you feel the need to split them...but I don't.
jamie is gonna be mad.
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Old 01-03-2013, 08:28 PM   #1912
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as they say in jamaca...stop yer bloodclot crying.
the list is currenty fair and impartial. i love and trust the mods.
yes...i am a kiss-arse.
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Old 01-03-2013, 09:31 PM   #1913
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jamie is gonna be mad.


The stock cubes / power adder class is the biggest class there is. More than 50% of the 5th gens drag racing are here. If anything, this class should be left alone. And the fact that I'm number 1 has absolutely nothing to do with my statement!!


Maybe make the other class Unlimited.


Or just leave everything the hell alone!!!!!
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Old 01-04-2013, 11:11 AM   #1914
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After a few months of not looking at this thread, I was browsing the thread and noticed the Power Adders list is called "Camaro SS, Power Adders (Nitrous, Turbo, Supercharger)" seems to have grown into a "power plant replacement list" for the most part. Just thinking there is no place any more for the "stock bottom end" guys any more with original stock bottom end internals. Anyone else think there should be a different list somehow?
What about stock internals?

A blown car with stock internals almost has no chance against the others.

Of course if it's brackets then it doesn't matter.

BTW, If I had been in time for brackets last year I'd have kicked ass.

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The stock cubes / power adder class is the biggest class there is. More than 50% of the 5th gens drag racing are here. If anything, this class should be left alone. And the fact that I'm number 1 has absolutely nothing to do with my statement!!


Maybe make the other class Unlimited.


Or just leave everything the hell alone!!!!!
The reason there are so many cars on list 6 is because there are more cars with stock internals racing than anything else. I just wonder how many of them have forged internals, not many I bet. Guess that makes easy picking for you.


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After a few months of not looking at this thread, I was browsing the thread and noticed the Power Adders list is called "Camaro SS, Power Adders (Nitrous, Turbo, Supercharger)" seems to have grown into a "power plant replacement list" for the most part. Just thinking there is no place any more for the "stock bottom end" guys any more with original stock bottom end internals. Anyone else think there should be a different list somehow?
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What about stock internals?

A blown car with stock internals almost has no chance against the others.
When we split the list up months ago I suggested the list be for "stock bottom end" cars, but honestly I never thought about the stock displacement forged cars. You stock bottom end guys will never be able to compete with the high boost multiple power adder forged engine cars. It probably would have been better to have just did that but it is better than it was anyway.

Might have been better to have called list 6 stock internal or stock bottom end V8 cars and list 7 others with modified internals or something.
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Old 01-05-2013, 08:37 AM   #1916
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The reason there are so many cars on list 6 is because there are more cars with stock internals racing than anything else. I just wonder how many of them have forged internals, not many I bet. Guess that makes easy picking for you.

Everyone has the same opportunity to do the same thing as I did. It's their choice if they choose to or not. May as well start dividing classes by blower size because we all know that the tvs is the smallest blower being used. The list's are the list's. It doesn't, and won't keep me up at night. I know that I have a 9 second car. And there aren't to many that can lay claim to that.
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Everyone has the same opportunity to do the same thing as I did. It's their choice if they choose to or not.
The reality is that there are a lot of guys that can't afford to put tens of thousands in their cars every year. I know a lot of these guys and respect what they do without the ability to invest in forged internals that's all.

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May as well start dividing classes by blower size because we all know that the tvs is the smallest blower being used.
I am using the same TVS2300 blower on my LPE 417, I know what you are saying, but making that statement on big boost with nitrous is just not the same. The stock internals cars could only do that on the 4th of July and be part of the fireworks display......

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The list's are the list's. It doesn't, and won't keep me up at night. I know that I have a 9 second car. And there aren't to many that can lay claim to that.
You have a awesome car any 9 second Gen 5 Camaro is a big achievement. Just takes a good builder and lot of money that's all.
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You have a awesome car any 9 second Gen 5 Camaro is a big achievement. Just takes a good builder and lot of money that's all.
I really dont care too much about the list.. barely look at it.. but I do understand some people.. nice to see how you compare to people around ur level.. Forge 376 can make almost as much power as forged 416..
but we could go on with this forever..
like changing trannies..
or even manuals we all how hard it is to break the 9s with a manual tranny..
I think there was one person (might be lingenfelter) but I dont see them on the list.. I see one 10.2 (crazy) rest 10.8 or slower..
so does manual get their own list LoL
seriously though can we
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