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Originally Posted by mikeSS

SRT is overprice, i mean come on!! starting price is 45k ROFL! most people probably are spending cost to 50k+ and thats getting close way to close to ZL1 or GT500 range.

The reason for that is for that starting price -- of 45k -- for the SRT8 Challenger, it is basically loaded from the start. You do not have a 1SRT8 or 2SRT8 equivalent to a 1SS or 2SS. Every thing that is standard on the SRT8 is optional on the SS. In order for me to even build an SS to match the options on my Yellow Jacket I would have to jump straight to the 1LE and final price of 43k.

My Yellow Jacket was 47k and some change, I paid 41k.

Originally Posted by mikeSS

thats why mustangs and camaro have been out selling challengers

No - give thanks to a little micro economics term called economies of scale. The camaro and mustang are cheaper due to the fact that they have a higher unit output than the Challenger. GM/Ford has the ability to lower the cost per unit as output increase (Which I LOL when a 5th gen camaro owner say they see a mustang on every block) If GM/Ford produced the same amount of units as Chrysler the prices would be the same.

[mikeSS]

Originally Posted by Loading.....

The reason for that is for that starting price -- of 45k -- for the SRT8 Challenger, it is basically loaded from the start. You do not have a 1SRT8 or 2SRT8 equivalent to a 1SS or 2SS. Every thing that is standard on the SRT8 is optional on the SS. In order for me to even build an SS to match the options on my Yellow Jacket I would have to jump straight to the 1LE and final price of 43k.

My Yellow Jacket was 47k and some change, I paid 41k.



No - give thanks to a little micro economics term called economies of scale. The camaro and mustang are cheaper due to the fact that they have a higher unit output than the Challenger. GM/Ford has the ability to lower the cost per unit as output increase (Which I LOL when a 5th gen camaro owner say they see a mustang on every block) If GM/Ford produced the same amount of units as Chrysler the prices would be the same.

what ever the reason is, my point is very valid. they cost more..... you get less for your money going with a challenger

[05stram]

Originally Posted by mikeSS

what ever the reason is, my point is very valid. they cost more..... you get less for your money going with a challenger

It is obvious you do not know what you are talking about - less for the money?
MSRP is 44K (with Track Pack) not much more than the 2 SS at 41and change (invoice) and not with all the options.

My SRT came home cheaper than what I can get a 2SS for (41 and change) and it came from the factory with Nav, illuminated cup holders, 3 season performance tires, track experience and driving school, one year of satellite radio with nav and traffic, active three mode suspension, dual disc clutch, keyless entry and start, and a higher safety rating. Yes the car is heavier than the camaro at 4158 (mine with a full tank of gas) but the camaro weighs in at 3750 (per my manual) and that only equates to a .12 HP to weight ratio which I seriously doubt you can feel and that is with proven fact the Mopar is putting down over 445 to the rear wheels.
So come on tell us again those of us who own both which is the better deal. I enjoy both my Camaro and Challenger and have several Mopars and Chevrolets and it comes down to taste and those still racing or competing, and not in parking lots on towny night, know why they buy either brand. It is not about oh the V6 is in a heavy car well yeah but that V6 is rated at 305 HP not so much less than the LFX and PS the V8 5.7L has 400 LB FT of torque behinds its 375 HP which is only 20 LB FT of torque less than the 2SS to get it rolling off the line. HP means nothing unless you can get it rolling as quickly as you need it.

OK this old timers rant is over sorry did not mean to go on and on.

[05stram]

Originally Posted by Loading.....

The reason for that is for that starting price -- of 45k -- for the SRT8 Challenger, it is basically loaded from the start. You do not have a 1SRT8 or 2SRT8 equivalent to a 1SS or 2SS. Every thing that is standard on the SRT8 is optional on the SS. In order for me to even build an SS to match the options on my Yellow Jacket I would have to jump straight to the 1LE and final price of 43k.

My Yellow Jacket was 47k and some change, I paid 41k.



No - give thanks to a little micro economics term called economies of scale. The camaro and mustang are cheaper due to the fact that they have a higher unit output than the Challenger. GM/Ford has the ability to lower the cost per unit as output increase (Which I LOL when a 5th gen camaro owner say they see a mustang on every block) If GM/Ford produced the same amount of units as Chrysler the prices would be the same.

Good price for the Yellow Jacket - I was going to go that route until I saw mine setting there blacked out by the dealer and just had to have it. The dealer I bought mine from in Greenville SC even loaded my HDD drive on my radio for me with my MP3s I mailed to him on USB keys. Have you noticed QNX allows you to not customize the background on the Camaro but will on the Mygig? Wonder why GM did that?

[mikeSS]

Originally Posted by 05stram

It is obvious you do not know what you are talking about - less for the money?
MSRP is 44K (with Track Pack) not much more than the 2 SS at 41and change (invoice) and not with all the options.

My SRT came home cheaper than what I can get a 2SS for (41 and change) and it came from the factory with Nav, illuminated cup holders, 3 season performance tires, track experience and driving school, one year of satellite radio with nav and traffic, active three mode suspension, dual disc clutch, keyless entry and start, and a higher safety rating. Yes the car is heavier than the camaro at 4158 (mine with a full tank of gas) but the camaro weighs in at 3750 (per my manual) and that only equates to a .12 HP to weight ratio which I seriously doubt you can feel and that is with proven fact the Mopar is putting down over 445 to the rear wheels.
So come on tell us again those of us who own both which is the better deal. I enjoy both my Camaro and Challenger and have several Mopars and Chevrolets and it comes down to taste and those still racing or competing, and not in parking lots on towny night, know why they buy either brand. It is not about oh the V6 is in a heavy car well yeah but that V6 is rated at 305 HP not so much less than the LFX and PS the V8 5.7L has 400 LB FT of torque behinds its 375 HP which is only 20 LB FT of torque less than the 2SS to get it rolling off the line. HP means nothing unless you can get it rolling as quickly as you need it.

OK this old timers rant is over sorry did not mean to go on and on.

i am sorry still i feel i would rather own a v6 camaro over a v6 challenger, also a SS over a R/T. the SRT is the debatable one.

and i will bet that 5.0L(maybe) or BOSS would be faster than all. overall do you see my point ? challenger is honestly a little behind the other pony cars. not to mention handling.

[2012-2SS]

My original post was not about the SRT, its about the RT. I was making the comparison to the my SS. Granted my SS is fully optioned, so I am a bit more privileged but even discounting the interiors I didn't like how the Challenger drove and handled especially the sloppy gateless shifter and the electric throttle lag was BAD and took a lot of thrill out of the ride. Maybe the SRT drives better, but I wouldn't know.

[05stram]

Originally Posted by mikeSS

i am sorry still i feel i would rather own a v6 camaro over a v6 challenger, also a SS over a R/T. the SRT is the debatable one.

and i will bet that 5.0L(maybe) or BOSS would be faster than all. overall do you see my point ? challenger is honestly a little behind the other pony cars. not to mention handling.

Hint Hint the SRT is the SS Competition not the R/T.
R/T = GM or Ford do not fill this niche', while I understand the confusion this is not meant to be the competition for the SS, sort of like saying the 1LE should be compared to the Corvette ZR1 when it is in the Grand Sport class.
SXT = Camaro RS, Ford Mustang V6

[2010redcamaro]

Originally Posted by 05stram

Hint Hint the SRT is the SS Competition not the R/T.
R/T = GM or Ford do not fill this niche', while I understand the confusion this is not meant to be the competition for the SS, sort of like saying the 1LE should be compared to the Corvette ZR1 when it is in the Grand Sport class.
SXT = Camaro RS, Ford Mustang V6

exactly. If the srt8 was supercharged then it would be competing with the gt500 and zl1. Its n/a its target is the ss and 5.0 and for the money its almost as fast as a zl1 the r/t is kinda just there for people that want the v8 power without the srt8 price. people say the price of the r/t is around the price of a ss thats why they compare them but to me thats just an excuse because the srt8 is faster.

[SGOS252382]

Originally Posted by 05stram

Hint Hint the SRT is the SS Competition not the R/T.
R/T = GM or Ford do not fill this niche', while I understand the confusion this is not meant to be the competition for the SS, sort of like saying the 1LE should be compared to the Corvette ZR1 when it is in the Grand Sport class.
SXT = Camaro RS, Ford Mustang V6

You can purchase a brand new Camaro SS (1SS) for MSRP ($32,635). That's about $10K less than the base model SRT Challenger.

The Challenger R/T and Camaro SS are very close in price and are definately direct competition.

Your statement
"It's like saying the 1LE ($37K) should be compared to a ZR1 ($140k car)"? is ridiculous.

[07-SRT]

Originally Posted by SGOS252382

You can purchase a brand new Camaro SS (1SS) for MSRP ($32,635). That's about $10K less than the base model SRT Challenger.

The Challenger R/T and Camaro SS are very close in price and are definitely direct competition.

Your statement
"It's like saying the 1LE ($37K) should be compared to a ZR1 ($140k car)"? is ridiculous.

I like the exterior of the camaro but as for everything else, well...... I went & test drove a 1ss. To be honest, it didn't have a sunroof, sub, nav, leather, heated seats, adjustable foot pedals, 0-60 timer & side bolsters like my SRT...I didn't want to give those options up, so to get the SS I wanted was over 40k

[Habu]

[05stram]

Originally Posted by SGOS252382

You can purchase a brand new Camaro SS (1SS) for MSRP ($32,635). That's about $10K less than the base model SRT Challenger.

The Challenger R/T and Camaro SS are very close in price and are definately direct competition.

Your statement
"It's like saying the 1LE ($37K) should be compared to a ZR1 ($140k car)"? is ridiculous.

Is it? Just like comparing a stripped SS price against a loaded SRT isn't

An SS "comparably" equipped is more in the price range of the SRT the RS V6 is more likely to sale in the range you quoted for the SS.

[mikeSS]

Originally Posted by 05stram

Is it? Just like comparing a stripped SS price against a loaded SRT isn't

An SS "comparably" equipped is more in the price range of the SRT the RS V6 is more likely to sale in the range you quoted for the SS.

where the hell are you buying your camaros from rofl!

[05stram]

Originally Posted by mikeSS

where the hell are you buying your camaros from rofl!

Chevrolet - you should know suggested MSRP for a 2SS starts at 37 and a 1SS at 33, which is nowhere near what a "base" SRT 8 is so quit trying to compare. If you build a 2LT/RS which is about what a SXT Redline is the Camaro is actually higher than even the R/T packaged with MORE features than the Camaro in even the lower of the trims. Only upgrades since you guys want to cry the SRT8 price listed is a base SRT8 are block heaters and radio upgrades - oooops forgot I can change the tires for a buck fifty.

SS 1LE Package is 3500 (feature already on SRT8 has 3 mode suspension standard) and who is playing catch up Mike I forget?
RS Package is 1350 (Already on SRT and everything above SXT Rallye)
Automatic Trans if you so desire is 1185
Stripe depending upon your taste if you desire 450 for Rally 275 for Hockey (standard on SRT8)
Carpeted Floor Mats 155 (standard on SXT Plus and above)
If you want cup lighting like the Challenger already has it will cost you 555 from Chevrolet.
Pretty gas cap cover is also standard on the SRT8 how much is that from Chevrolet? (not a fan myself on the Camaro but since we are comparing apples to apples)


Just Built 2LT and added RS Package with 20s only no auto no nothing 31,900 go check it MikeSS ROTFL while thinking who would get in the floor with all the pissing going on in this thread? What I find funny is how you lil tykes continue to argue a point that is readily verifiable out on any performance page or on the manufacturers websites.