Why is GM still behind the 8 ball?

[fielderLS3]

Originally Posted by Bonanza7

When I got my 2010 Camaro, It was a little behind in electronics...no ipod interface and control, among other things. I bought it anyway. I went to trade it on a 2013 this weekend. I wanted a back up camera, and just to get a new car. I found out there is no back up camera, and according to the dealer, still no ipod interface.If I wanted the camera...$1,500 bucks extra. Even a cheapest Honda Civic has one standard, plus ipod interface, and bluetooth. How come a Camaro, 8 grand more, still doesn't have what the rest of the world has as standard equipment? Same backwards thinking it would seem. Went home without the new car.

First, to my knowledge, all of that is available on the Camaro as either standard or optional depending on the trim level.

Second, I highly doubt a base trim, no option Honda Civic has a backup camera.

Third, I had the same problem as you at a Dodge dealership in 2011. The Caliber had stability control, but the Viper didn't. I figured that meant the Viper should cost $1K less than the Caliber, but Dodge and the dealer wouldn't accept the logic, either.

[MrWray]

my 2013 2SS/RS has it all, backup camera, mylink with Nav,bluetooth/phone interface,and USB. its all an extra plus to me,i love my camaro,no complaints about any of the creature comforts or electronics......now the paper thin paint job? thats for another topic

[Bonanza7]

Originally Posted by Mr. iNCREDIBLE

um my 2012 has an Ipod interface, bluetooth for music streaming and phone, and a backup camera.. all standard in my SS..

since you didn't mention which model you were looking at, hard to determine..

but insofar as to why, at least with the Camaro.. GM built this car to be simplistic, it was designed for gear heads and power, not for tech-heads and gadgets, I believe that has been stated by GM several times.

While I agree overall that in 2013 this doesn't make much sense, I have to say after owning my 2012 for 6 months now, that I am kinda of glad it doesn't have all the techno crap my 300c and Avalanche had. I enjoy the car for what it is, and am not frustrated with gadgets that never want to work right

My 300c, Avalanche and the wife's Camry Hybrid, have all had their fair share of techno-gadget idiocy and failure.

The Camaro was build to be a simplistic powerful drivers car, as such the gadgets are not needed.

LS...I guess my point was that even a $16K Civic comes with more basic electronics than a $26K LS. To get what the Civic has, it would be well over 30K in a Camaro...according to my, admittedly stupid dealer

[Bonanza7]

Originally Posted by motorhead

This looks like a case of wanting to buy the cheap model and still get all the features of the upper models.

Wishful thinking at best.

If Honda can offer all that on a very good...cheap model........???

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by Bonanza7

LS...I guess my point was that even a $16K Civic comes with more basic electronics than a $26K LS. To get what the Civic has, it would be well over 30K in a Camaro...according to my, admittedly stupid dealer

...you paid $26k for an LS in 2010?

[Bonanza7]

Originally Posted by Fiveg56

Not according to Honda.com

I just checked...it is standard on ALL Civics and Accords for '13

[Bonanza7]

Originally Posted by fielderLS3

First, to my knowledge, all of that is available on the Camaro as either standard or optional depending on the trim level.

Second, I highly doubt a base trim, no option Honda Civic has a backup camera.

Third, I had the same problem as you at a Dodge dealership in 2011. The Caliber had stability control, but the Viper didn't. I figured that meant the Viper should cost $1K less than the Caliber, but Dodge and the dealer wouldn't accept the logic, either.

In the past, GM is notorious for doing one thing great...like the styling, and then blowing it on other stuff. I believe this is an example of the blowing it on what has become pretty much standard on a LOT of other cars. Just because it has power, shouldn't mean they cheap out on the rest. In any event, it cost them a sale...not that they care.

[jd10013]

Originally Posted by Bonanza7

I just checked...it is standard on ALL Civics and Accords for '13

and again, your comparing a sport/pony car to a commuter/family car. these are two entirely different segments of the car industry and are built, designed, and engineered for two entirely different purposes.

GM has to do something to keep the price tag down, as does Honda. that's why you get an I4 in the civic along with front wheel drive.

you really can't figure this out?

[Bonanza7]

Originally Posted by jd10013

and again, your comparing a sport/pony car to a commuter/family car. these are two entirely different segments of the car industry and are built, designed, and engineered for two entirely different purposes.

GM has to do something to keep the price tag down, as does Honda. that's why you get an I4 in the civic along with front wheel drive.

you really can't figure this out?

If Honda can do it on a cheap Civic? It could be an option, if needed, on an LS, without having to upgrade for things you may not want...it SHOULD be standard, however. Face it, the Camaro can use a back up camera

[San2cci]

All I have to say is: you're buying a sport car, not a cadillac. Get a luxury car if you want all those features. I understand wanting to be comfortable in your car but if that's the case a 400+ HP, hard handling, sport car isnt for you.

[fielderLS3]

Originally Posted by Bonanza7

If Honda can do it on a cheap Civic? It could be an option, if needed, on an LS, without having to upgrade for things you may not want...it SHOULD be standard, however. Face it, the Camaro can use a back up camera

Why should it be standard? Not everyone wants to have and pay for back-up cameras, particularly buyers in the sports car segment. Buyers in that segment generally have less need for them, anyway.

[Bonanza7]

Originally Posted by fielderLS3

Why should it be standard? Not everyone wants to have and pay for back-up cameras, particularly buyers in the sports car segment. Buyers in that segment generally have less need for them, anyway.

My point has been missed

[Cheveey57]

This is a sports car who needs all that crap? If you need a back up camara maybe you should learn how to drive. People have been driving for 100 years without them.

[Cam2011]

Find yourself a new dealer, preferably one that knows something about what they are selling.