subframe bushings

[cipriank]

is it better to get subframe bushing inserts or go all the way and get the whole bushing. .??.thanks


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[akCamaross]

I would go ahead and get the whole bushing.

[Ken_]

Whole bushing.

[caverman]

Depends on your plans for the car. If you plan on having upper 400 rwhp or anything over 500 then do a full bushing. If not then you can use an insert.

For me, I'm done with HP for a while. I'm at 412 rwhp so I don't need anything more than inserts.

Also remember that the install on an insert is much easier and the cost of inserts a lot cheaper. You could also do inserts now and if you need to step up to a full bushing you could pull out your inserts and sell them for around 1/2 the cost.

However, if you plan to go high HP and have the means to do a full bushing then go that route. Again, just depends on your overall goals.

[PfadtRacing]

We may be bias, but when a problem exists, we chose to engineer a complete solution and not just halfway... or less than halfway. Your question is completely valid. As caverman pointed out above, if you are on a small budget, the labor will be cheaper on an insert. But our company isn't going to produce things that simply help a handling deficiency, we want to solve it. That is where the full bushing kit comes in.

In our opinion (and without giving a dissertation) regardless of the HP level you are at (video below is with a STOCK powertrain), you will experiencing substantial rear cradle movement. This as I am sure you already know, will lead to a spongy rear end that will give you varying amounts of feedback while cornering, and lead to the rear end feeling like it will step-out and result in unpredictable handling.



The downside to a full bushing kit is virtually none. As almost all of our customers will agree, there is very little perceivable added Noise Vibration and Harshness added to the ride, because you still have all of your control arms mounted in rubber. The factory front subframe is mounted solid to the chassis, and any performance car like the Corvette has been doing it for decades.

Let me know if you have any more questions on this stuff. We kept this discussion limited to your question specifically, but if you want to know the right package of parts for your goals, just ask.

-Blair

[Frid]

Originally Posted by PfadtRacing

We may be bias, but when a problem exists, we chose to engineer a complete solution and not just halfway... or less than halfway. Your question is completely valid. As caverman pointed out above, if you are on a small budget, the labor will be cheaper on an insert. But our company isn't going to produce things that simply help a handling deficiency, we want to solve it. That is where the full bushing kit comes in.

In our opinion (and without giving a dissertation) regardless of the HP level you are at (video below is with a STOCK powertrain), you will experiencing substantial rear cradle movement. This as I am sure you already know, will lead to a spongy rear end that will give you varying amounts of feedback while cornering, and lead to the rear end feeling like it will step-out and result in unpredictable handling.



The downside to a full bushing kit is virtually none. As almost all of our customers will agree, there is very little perceivable added Noise Vibration and Harshness added to the ride, because you still have all of your control arms mounted in rubber. The factory front subframe is mounted solid to the chassis, and any performance car like the Corvette has been doing it for decades.

Let me know if you have any more questions on this stuff. We kept this discussion limited to your question specifically, but if you want to know the right package of parts for your goals, just ask.

-Blair

[RatRacer]

The only 2 downsides of installing the full bushing is if you don't have a lift, and your fire ant control sux.

[JDP Sales]

Definitely go with the full bushing if you can swing it. You will thank yourself later. Feel free to call, PM or email us anytime with questions.

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Tyler
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[Rob@WretchedMS]

Inserts:
Pros - Easier to install, can be removed and resold with out altering your car, lower cost
Cons - Not as much control as a full bushing

Full Bushings:
Pros - superior control, minimal subframe movement.
Cons - To remove them you must reinstall stock bushings, which can be harder, higher cost

If it's my car, i'm going with the full bushings, but in the end, it's more of a personal preference.

[SPCBA]

full bushing inserts are are not going to solve the problem.

[SGNL99]

I just put solid bushings in and I haven't noticed much difference in ride quality. I am currently at 415rwhp and I know I'll be over 450 soon enough, which seems to be the upper limit with the inserts. The important thing is to look at your project long term so you don't have to do the same thing twice. I know I'm glad the subframe only needed to be dropped once!

[Matt @ FSP]

No additional noise with the Pfadt 6061 billet subframe bushings.. If you are going to go through all the labor just do it once and go solid. Remember the Corvette cradles from the FACTORY are solid mounted... Just to give you a comparison

[biggerisbetter]

i would go full bushings if i were you.

[BMR Sales]

Originally Posted by cipriank

is it better to get subframe bushing inserts or go all the way and get the whole bushing. .??.thanks


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It really depends on how much power you plan on making with your car and your goals for the car but generally I really like for people to go with our "pro" full rear cradle bushing replacements (BK030) over the inserts (BK016) becuase it gives most people room to grow power-wise but there is really no change in ride quality or drivability. If there arte any other questions you have or if we can help you out let us know.