12 SS vs 12 5.0

[VADER SS L99]

Originally Posted by PQ

So what we learned today is that anyone who wants an 11 second Mustang can save 50k by just getting the GT because with 2k in mods you can beat it.

(if we were talking new at this point)

Its more like 6K in mods. I have done the homework since I might get one in addition to my SS. Were talking LT headers, gears, torque converter, 15inch wheels and DR's, 1 piece driveshaft, springs and adj shocks, LCA's, adj panhard rod, rear end girdle, and tune. Thise mods will get you mid 11's in a auto car.

[PQ]

Originally Posted by VADER SS L99

Its more like 6K in mods. I have done the homework since I might get one in addition to my SS. Were talking LT headers, gears, torque converter, 15inch wheels and DR's, 1 piece driveshaft, springs and adj shocks, LCA's, adj panhard rod, rear end girdle, and tune. Thise mods will get you mid 11's in a auto car.

The Mustang needs all those, or the Camaro?

Seems to me the stang just needs and intake and exhaust. lol

[Deki]

Originally Posted by debro7046

I understand your point, but you are mistaken. Im sure Ehab will chime in at some point. With intake, tune, and axle back he was only able to trap 111mph. with the exact same setup(intake, tune and exhaust) I did 118. Same track same night. The boss intake manifold does make the car a little faster but nothing compared to a cam. My point being is with just a intake and tune a 5.0 can trap what a camaro with a cam can. Im not bashing the camaro in anyway, I just think your information is a little off.

So a mustang with a tune and intake picks up 7mph? That's pretty nuts. I picked up 4mph with tune and exhaust.

Originally Posted by VADER SS L99

Its more like 6K in mods. I have done the homework since I might get one in addition to my SS. Were talking LT headers, gears, torque converter, 15inch wheels and DR's, 1 piece driveshaft, springs and adj shocks, LCA's, adj panhard rod, rear end girdle, and tune. Thise mods will get you mid 11's in a auto car.

My buddy has a 2012 5.0 that's in the 11s at about 118mph, and all he's got is an E85 tune, injectors, 302 manifold, Jeg's cat deletes, 3" exhaust, with the only suspension mod being Eibach Sportline springs with LCA relocation brackets. Less then 2k in mods, trapping 118 running high 11s on a stock 255 series summer Pirelli. I'm not surprised at this dude's time, just his trap. 121 is hauling the mail with just basic stuff he's got done.

[debro7046]

Originally Posted by Deki

So a mustang with a tune and intake picks up 7mph? That's pretty nuts. I picked up 4mph with tune and exhaust.

I never ran my car down the track bone stock. A week after I got it, I bought a Torq speedlab mail order tune and the intake. so I'm not sure exactly how much mph it picked up.

Originally Posted by Deki

My buddy has a 2012 5.0 that's in the 11s at about 118mph, and all he's got is an E85 tune, injectors, 302 manifold, Jeg's cat deletes, 3" exhaust, with the only suspension mod being Eibach Sportline springs with LCA relocation brackets. Less then 2k in mods, trapping 118 running high 11s on a stock 255 series summer Pirelli. I'm not surprised at this dude's time, just his trap. 121 is hauling the mail with just basic stuff he's got done.

Last week @ atco there was another 2012 5.0 with an intake, boss IM, cat delete, AED tune and axleback running 11.9-12.1 119+ with 3.31 gears on stock tires. Im not saying every mustang with those mods will trap that high but its possible. There are alot of other variables to consider, one mainly being DA

[debro7046]

Originally Posted by VADER SS L99

Its more like 6K in mods. I have done the homework since I might get one in addition to my SS. Were talking LT headers, gears, torque converter, 15inch wheels and DR's, 1 piece driveshaft, springs and adj shocks, LCA's, adj panhard rod, rear end girdle, and tune. Thise mods will get you mid 11's in a auto car.

If 11 second ET's are your main concern not trap speed then you don't need anywhere near 6k to do it. You dont even need the headers or the converter(if you stick with the stock manifold)4.10 gears, tune, front runners, and DR's should be enough.

[VADER SS L99]

Originally Posted by debro7046

If 11 second ET's are your main concern not trap speed then you don't need anywhere near 6k to do it. You dont even need the headers or the converter(if you stick with the stock manifold)4.10 gears, tune, front runners, and DR's should be enough.

With my DA I'm pretty sure it would take at least the parts I posted to run mid 11's without weight reduction. Plus it would just be a steping stone for a Whipple 2.9 later on down the road. I would do the SC first but I'm curious how fast I could go full weight with bolt ons.

[wnt2gofst]

Originally Posted by Bad70supreme

Ya gutted bolton shop cars in the 10s! Over the last 2 years I have yet to see a bolton 5.0 run any faster then 11.90s and that was once. The avg bolton 5.0 even with drag radials were all running 12.4-12.0 range at my tracks and stock I never seen faster then a 12.8 with avg of low 13s. I am not saying they cant be faster but those times were all typical around here. Nothing a SS cant handle!

Are you high? Many DD 5.0's have went 10's and low to mid 11's with bolt ons. Stock best is 12.2 and tire only best is now 12.07. I had my own 5.0 manual go 11.8 with tune/intake.dr's. Full bolt ons went 11.4 and I am not a great driver. But down side is sucking mnaual trans. I now have a auto blown 5.0 that went 10.3 at 650whp. The car makes over 700whp now. Yet to run it. Completely stock engine, stock headers even. Thats on my race tune and even on heacvy 20" rims. Street tune makes about 650 now. All on 93 pump.




I will be picking up a camaro is few months for the wife. It will get some simple mods nothing to crazy. enough to make 550-600whp. So really just a blower, bolt ons.

[Randyscamaro2010]

Originally Posted by PQ

The Mustang had the camS. You only have one. lol



Sorry, had to.



If he's really running those times and speeds then you are going to need more than just a cam.

To tell you the truth, with a 1.9 sec 60' I don't see how he's running that with his mods. I know the new 5.0 is fast but I'd bet big money that most cars with the same mods as he has wouldn't with an intake, exhaust and tune.

lol i was about to post something like this. Then is saw your post.

[Bad70supreme]

Lets get one thing straight! It takes allot more then a few freaking boltons for any car to run 10s! If anyone thinks they gonna go buy a 5.0 slap a few basic parts on it and run 10s just like nothing is in for a big surprise.

[wnt2gofst]

Originally Posted by Bad70supreme

Lets get one thing straight! It takes allot more then a few freaking boltons for any car to run 10s! If anyone thinks they gonna go buy a 5.0 slap a few basic parts on it and run 10s just like nothing is in for a big surprise.

Really? It is that simple to a point. Full exhaust, boss intake, some Suspension, circle d, bigs/little's. The biggest is the tune. On both auto and manual cars. They are not all equal. I've seen guys gain .3 and 3-4mph from a tune. Lol these cars are bolt ons. And there is more. But it takes a certain setup also with that tune. The right parts. Not wasting money on junk like a throttle body that does nothing.





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[Bad70supreme]

Ok bud.

[wnt2gofst]

Originally Posted by Bad70supreme

Ok bud.

It is what it is. Sorry camaro's can't do it as easy.

Look.at my car. I went 10.3@133 on my old tune.
4000 for blower
300 for boss intake
250 for x pipe
950 for stall
1250 for bigs little's.
That was all took for me to go 10.3. I did all work myself besides tune. Its really that easy. And with right setup n/a its that easy to go 10.8-11.3. Most just don't have the right parts, tuning time in their cars.

Hell I know camaro's going 10.8-11.3 with cam only. But yet a lot guys think need heads, blower, blah blah. Its all maximizing the setup. Which 95% of people don't do. They read to much BS on forums or a buddies buddy said this and that and do it. Then wonder why its not working for them.

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[wnt2gofst]

Originally Posted by ehab

I have a 12 Camaro ss with SLP axle back, intake, ARH with high flow cats, and x pipe, and a dyno tune by ECSC. My car Dynoed 429 rwh and 428 pound of torque. My boy has a 5.0 with headers, exhaust, H pipe, boss intake manifolds and a dyno tune. We went to the track few days ago, and my best run was 12.70 at 113.5 mph with a 2.11 60 ft. His best run was 11.8 at 121 mph with a 1.9 60 ft. I'm getting cams installed on Thursday, and hoping to gain about 50 to 60 rwh. Will I stand a chance once I get my cams ? He talks alot of shit.

With a cam you two should be neck and neck. Tires is killing you both. I had same mods as him on my manual and went 11.4@119 in 1800 DA.

With a cam, then some lighter rims and better tires you should beat him if he is still on stock tires.

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[wnt2gofst]

Originally Posted by PQ

A stock 2012 GT500 traps 125?

Kinda hard to believe. I will admit, I have no experience but still hard to believe.

2013 I might could see. But 125mph is pretty fast, considering.

A stock 2012 GT500 isn't trapping 120. At best its 118.

The 13 GT500 traps 125-128 stock. All depending on driver/track prep/da.

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