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Scarrzz · 03-28-2013, 10:59 AM

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Hmm, if I add the price of the LS7, carbon brakes and other goodies, then subtract the LSA, SC, MR shocks, A/C and other ZL1 goodies, then apply a supply & demand markup, I'm still not seeing anything over sixty.

But I'm just a layman.

JusticePete · 03-28-2013, 11:11 AM

The dampers use Formula 1 style valve stacks to gain a wider range of valving for compression, rebound, high and low speed circuits. I think the Z is the first application of this technology outside of F1. Every thing I like about the Z/28 comes with a price tag.

Number 3 · 03-28-2013, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Scarrzz

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Hmm, if I add the price of the LS7, carbon brakes and other goodies, then subtract the LSA, SC, MR shocks, A/C and other ZL1 goodies, then apply a supply & demand markup, I'm still not seeing anything over sixty.

But I'm just a layman.

LS7 vs LSA is at least 10k, Z07 for Corvette minus MR is still a 5 k option. Yes A/c may have been an option in the old days but now you will pay for the engineering to remove it. You will pay not only Goethe low volume wiring harness but the cost to test and engineer it.

This car is wayyyyyy more than just add and subtract parts. It's the cost to engineer and buy LOW volume parts. And spread that engineering over a small number of cars and the price only goes up.

Can't just add and subtract parts.

ShnOmac · 03-28-2013, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by IOMZL1

Can’t wait to get my hands on the new Z/28!! Love the fact that the LS7 is in the car! Hoping for an MSRP of $35-40k. Definitely going to add the A/C option. Here is my expected mod list:

- Aftermarket Radio with 2 x 14” subs in the back. That one speaker really isn’t cutting it for me.
- Leather seats and trunk carpet. These Recaros look weird, don’t want them preventing me from sliding over to grab the taco bell off of the passenger seat. And the trunk carpet will match the new subwoofer boxes.
- Upgrade to 22”x 8” chrome wheels.
- Aftermarket body kit. Can’t stand the hood vent, spoiler, and splitter!!! FUGLY
- Carbon Ceramic Rotor Swap for steel rotors, will sell these for 10k on eBay to help pay for the wheels.
- Replace suspension with more comfortable air bag suspension.
- Supercharger to bring the power up to speed with the ZL1

Any other mods I am forgetting?

wildpaws · 03-28-2013, 01:02 PM

I don't understand, why is the Z/28 forum so busy all of a sudden?

Clyde

tramtwo · 03-28-2013, 01:06 PM

The house has a hostel feel about it..... sightseeing.....

tramtwo posted this on the go

*GTAHVIT* · 03-28-2013, 01:07 PM

I love it....

IOMZL1 · 03-28-2013, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ShnOmac

Really? You usually get my jokes. LOL.

Sorry. Just fed up with the negative comments on here.

ShnOmac · 03-28-2013, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by IOMZL1

Really? You usually get my jokes. LOL.

Sorry. Just fed up with the negative comments on here.

Hmmm I thought you would think my response was funny....

We both missed

IOMZL1 · 03-28-2013, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ShnOmac

Hmmm I thought you would think my response was funny....

We both missed

Touché

IOMZL1 · 03-28-2013, 02:24 PM

Does anyone have any specifics / experience on carbon ceramic rotors vs. steel?

The press release says: “Compared to similar-size, two-piece steel rotors, the lightweight carbon discs save 28 pounds (12.5 kilograms) per car”

I have heard that the diameter of a ceramic rotor needs to be larger than the equivalent steel rotor to produce the same stopping power, therefore, the weight reduction may not be as significant as it might seem.

For example, from what I can tell (from the interweb) the OEM ZR1 CC rotor weighs ~16.2 lbs while the Viper ACR Stoptech 2 piece (aluminum hat) rotor weighs ~17.8 lbs. The Viper rotors save ~32 lbs from the standard coupe one piece steel rotor; I'm assuming a CC rotor may only shave a few more pounds.

My point being are the carbon ceramic rotors really worth the added cost at the end of the day; other than a slight weight advantage what are the major benefits over a proper two piece steel rotor? Not that they aren’t awesome just a discussion point.

2cnd chance · 03-28-2013, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by JusticePete

The wallet mod. Pricing has not been announced so these are guesses.

Low End $56,000 the same as the ZL1.

High End $85,000 about Z06 territory.

The hardest, fastest, best handling Camaro is a premium performance car with an MSRP to match.

I'm diggin' that low end. What would I be losing (in your opinion)?

2cnd chance · 03-28-2013, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by IOMZL1

Does anyone have any specifics / experience on carbon ceramic rotors vs. steel?

The press release says: “Compared to similar-size, two-piece steel rotors, the lightweight carbon discs save 28 pounds (12.5 kilograms) per car”

I have heard that the diameter of a ceramic rotor needs to be larger than the equivalent steel rotor to produce the same stopping power, therefore, the weight reduction may not be as significant as it might seem.

For example, from what I can tell (from the interweb) the OEM ZR1 CC rotor weighs ~16.2 lbs while the Viper ACR Stoptech 2 piece (aluminum hat) rotor weighs ~17.8 lbs. The Viper rotors save ~32 lbs from the standard coupe one piece steel rotor; I'm assuming a CC rotor may only shave a few more pounds.

My point being are the carbon ceramic rotors really worth the added cost at the end of the day; other than a slight weight advantage what are the major benefits over a proper two piece steel rotor? Not that they aren’t awesome just a discussion point.

-7 lbs a corner is nothing to sneeze at. I gotta guess on a track with repeated heavy braking they have to be much more resistant.

2cnd chance · 03-28-2013, 02:55 PM

Oh and ShnO, I love everything, but the rear (which I hear can be changed). Thanks.

03-28-2013, 10:59 AM	#12209
Scarrzz No Fear-No Limits- Camaro Drives: '13 ZL1 or Suzuki Hayabusa Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Louisiana, CO, GA, TX, etc. Posts: 2,033 View My Garage	. Hmm, if I add the price of the LS7, carbon brakes and other goodies, then subtract the LSA, SC, MR shocks, A/C and other ZL1 goodies, then apply a supply & demand markup, I'm still not seeing anything over sixty. But I'm just a layman. __________________ . __________________________________ ................................................The Faithful are Watching.

03-28-2013, 01:07 PM	#12215
GTAHVIT Blessed Drives: 2013 Sonic RS MT Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Saint Augustine FL Posts: 28,441 View My Garage	I love it.... __________________ Click image to see build thread. PQ - "the love of cars. It's a boys first step toward manhood and a mans last hold on boyhood." Fbodfather - "We do not want to use the Z28 moniker on a car that does not deserve this hallowed name." The_Blur - "Let's not confuse competitors with equals."

03-28-2013, 02:24 PM	#12219
IOMZL1 Drives: 2015 Z/28 \| 2017 Viper ACR Extreme Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Brownsburg Posts: 1,011	Does anyone have any specifics / experience on carbon ceramic rotors vs. steel? The press release says: “Compared to similar-size, two-piece steel rotors, the lightweight carbon discs save 28 pounds (12.5 kilograms) per car” I have heard that the diameter of a ceramic rotor needs to be larger than the equivalent steel rotor to produce the same stopping power, therefore, the weight reduction may not be as significant as it might seem. For example, from what I can tell (from the interweb) the OEM ZR1 CC rotor weighs ~16.2 lbs while the Viper ACR Stoptech 2 piece (aluminum hat) rotor weighs ~17.8 lbs. The Viper rotors save ~32 lbs from the standard coupe one piece steel rotor; I'm assuming a CC rotor may only shave a few more pounds. My point being are the carbon ceramic rotors really worth the added cost at the end of the day; other than a slight weight advantage what are the major benefits over a proper two piece steel rotor? Not that they aren’t awesome just a discussion point. __________________ dougshelbyengineering.com www.facebook.com/dougshelbyengineering www.instagram.com/dougshelbyengineering

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03-28-2013, 11:11 AM	#12210
JusticePete Drives: Camaro Justice Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 20,171	The dampers use Formula 1 style valve stacks to gain a wider range of valving for compression, rebound, high and low speed circuits. I think the Z is the first application of this technology outside of F1. Every thing I like about the Z/28 comes with a price tag.

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wildpaws Drives: 1999 Blazer Join Date: May 2007 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 1,228	I don't understand, why is the Z/28 forum so busy all of a sudden? Clyde

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2cnd chance Too Many Great Choices Drives: Grand Sport/Z07 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: A Mountain Road Posts: 7,454	Oh and ShnO, I love everything, but the rear (which I hear can be changed). Thanks.