Bone Stock G35 auto vs Camaro SS

[08-G35s/6MT]

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

I would, but what a waste of time and gas just so he could see my tail lights.

Sure. Here let me call up my friend from NY in his TT G sedan.

I'm sure your fully built methanol injected v6 on DR's running 14+ psi with built trans would be good fight.

Unlike you he has stock suspension, stock transmission, stock internals/bottom end, and is all pump gas.... no methanol injection here. Only 8 lbs of boost. Oh yeah he's on oem all season tires too.







I was letting the thread die out, but if you are going to compare TT V6 Camaro to tt v6 g35/g37, the infiniti has much stronger aftermarket thanks to the 350z/370z cousin and because it's been out much longer. This shop has a 7 second twin turbo vq35hr 350z, the tt Camaro v6's aren't within 3 second of touching that. Look at Gretchen.... he has to run forged internals, run drag radials/built trans, run methanol injection, and 14 lbs of boost to run with a stock g37 with tt kit on 8 lbs. His old TT build is also what a bolt on 370z runs in the 1/4 mile.

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by 08-G35s/6MT

Sure. Here let me call up my friend from NY in his TT G sedan.

I'm sure your fully built methanol injected v6 on DR's running 14+ psi with built trans would be good fight.

Unlike you he has stock suspension, stock transmission, stock internals/bottom end, and is all pump gas.... no methanol injection here. Only 8 lbs of boost. Oh yeah he's on oem all season tires too.

Did I miss where your buddy called out modded V6 Camaros?

But sure, given my shakedown run was faster than that, I'll show him my tail lights, too.

• Tranny is untouched except for TC
• Motor work is just pistons to lower the CR, stock rods, crank, heads
• Not tuned for meth, just use it as a safty measure
• 93 Octane Tune
• 14-15 psi on small turbos--they flow less g/sec than larger turbos.

[Swarm]

i am not biased and i am pretty sure the V6 Camaro will lose when the other car is equally modded, the V6 Camaro doesnt respond well to mods like other cars such as Mustang and Genesis the G37 is a much better car with better engine, but its ugly (subjective?) and expensive lol

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by Swarm

i am not biased and i am pretty sure the V6 Camaro will lose when the other car is equally modded, the V6 Camaro doesnt respond well to mods like other cars such as Mustang and Genesis the G37 is a much better car with better engine, but its ugly (subjective?) and expensive lol

I took my LLT to the same WHP as the one on the video with just 6 psi. The issue is the ability to tune the LLT. So, I have to disagree with you. Now that we have the LFX, we are seeing they respond pretty well to just a tune (~30 WHP gain on my stock LFX) and I'm sure a CAI and full exhaust would get you some more. Stock motor without lowering the CR should handle 9+ psi without an issue. I imagine we'll see a few TT LFXs over 450 WHP real soon.

[Swarm]

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

I took my LLT to the same WHP as the one on the video with just 6 psi. The issue is the ability to tune the LLT. So, I have to disagree with you. Now that we have the LFX, we are seeing they respond pretty well to just a tune (~30 WHP gain on my stock LFX) and I'm sure a CAI and full exhaust would get you some more. Stock motor without lowering the CR should handle 9+ psi without an issue. I imagine we'll see a few TT LFXs over 450 WHP real soon.

but no headers mods on the LFX, so that 20-30 hp lost from the equation?
not to mention no support from GM like how Ford do with their V6 mustang with offering performance package and gears so guys with auto V6 Camaro falling short in this department

plus same WHP as other cars doesn't mean you will be as fast or faster, right? still you at weight disadvantage and probably torque too and gearing (unless your car a manual)

i am not well informed into these engine like you, so i am sure i could be mistaken and I hope I am, but I would still bet on G37 over a Camaro equally modded 9 times out of 10

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by Swarm

but no headers mods on the LFX, so that 20-30 hp lost from the equation?
not to mention no support from GM like how Ford do with their V6 mustang with offering performance package and gears so guys with auto V6 Camaro falling short in this department

plus same WHP as other cars doesn't mean you will be as fast or faster, right? still you at weight disadvantage and probably torque too and gearing (unless your car a manual)

i am not well informed into these engine like you, so i am sure i could be mistaken and I hope I am, but I would still bet on G37 over a Camaro equally modded 9 times out of 10

The solo full exhaust on the LFX seems to make about the same power as headers/cats on the LLT (neither would make 20-30; 15 is more like it).

If you are serious about the suspension, go aftermarket. Neither GM or Ford will ever produce a real good setup for a car you buy off the lot.

As for the WHP issue, you are right. The fastest G37 I've heard of is a guy named Jim Cooper. His has the stage II version of the kit in the video with a fully built motor (rods, 9:1 CR pistons), built transmission, 3.92 gears, and running 17 psi. He makes 591 WHP with a 3900 lb race weight. My car on 14-15 psi is just shy of 500 WHP and has a 4000 lb race weight. He's only 0.2 sec faster to 1000' than I ran on my shakedown run. There is definitely more to it than HP and weight. Maybe the Camaro is just a better platform for drag racing

http://dragtimes.com/Infiniti-G37-Timeslip-23142.html

I'm pretty sure my second round of tuning and tweaking will erase that 0.2 sec advantage.

[08-G35s/6MT]

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

I took my LLT to the same WHP as the one on the video with just 6 psi. The issue is the ability to tune the LLT. So, I have to disagree with you. Now that we have the LFX, we are seeing they respond pretty well to just a tune (~30 WHP gain on my stock LFX) and I'm sure a CAI and full exhaust would get you some more. Stock motor without lowering the CR should handle 9+ psi without an issue. I imagine we'll see a few TT LFXs over 450 WHP real soon.

The G sedan in the video is all wheel drive. A VQ35HR or VQ37 sees ~30 whp gain with a simple Uprev Osiris tune too.

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

Maybe the Camaro is just a better platform for drag racing

Camaro SS better starting point ? Yes.
Camaro V6 better starting point ? No.

Stock G37s and VQ35HR's hit low-mid 13's stock in good conditions, I have proven this(at a track with a reputation for slow times nonetheless).

Tell me the record for stock Camaro V6, please. The record for stock G37 sedan auto is 13.09 @ 106.2 mph, sir.

Your Camaro's are tuned for fuel economy to get the advertised 29-30 mpg magical number and have very long gears. I drove a 1LT package LFX auto for 30 days exactly, sir.



I ran a stock V6 auto LLT Camaro in my v6 accord. This was his daily driver and he decided to see what it would run. He was car 265.

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by 08-G35s/6MT

The G sedan in the video is all wheel drive. A VQ35HR or VQ37 sees ~30 whp gain with a simple Uprev Osiris tune too.




Camaro SS better starting point ? Yes.
Camaro V6 better starting point ? No.

Stock G37s and VQ35HR's hit low-mid 13's stock in good conditions, I have proven this(at a track with a reputation for slow times nonetheless).

Tell me the record for stock Camaro V6, please. The record for stock G37 sedan auto is 13.09 @ 106.2 mph, sir.

G37 AWD = $45K+
LS1 = $25K

LS1 + $15K in mods = low 11s/high 10s car. That beats the a high 13s (on a good day) G37 every time. If you want a drag car, start with a Camaro, you'll get more bang for you buck.

[Swarm]

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

G37 AWD = $45K+
LS1 = $25K

LS1 + $15K in mods = low 11s/high 10s car. That beats the a high 13s (on a good day) G37 every time. If you want a drag car, start with a Camaro, you'll get more bang for you buck.

is there a Camaro V6 that was able to do low 11/ high 10? expect for one hero run on Nitrous?

And isn't true there no aftermarket gearing for the automatic V6 camaro?

[08-G35s/6MT]

Originally Posted by Swarm

is there a Camaro V6 that was able to do low 11/ high 10? expect for one hero run on Nitrous?

And isn't true there no aftermarket gearing for the automatic V6 camaro?

+1

We weren't talking about an LS1 4th gen Camaro either, idk where that came up and I'm not sure where the $25k number came in.

Oh yeah it starts out at less then $35k for 7-speed auto G sedan too. But that's beside the point, we were talking about how well each car responded to bolt ons and you said v6 Camaro was the better platform. I argue Nissan's FM platform for 370z/350z and g35/g37 is the superior choice and has much stronger aftermarket.

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

G37 AWD = $45K+
LS1 = $25K

LS1 + $15K in mods = low 11s/high 10s car. That beats the a high 13s (on a good day) G37 every time. If you want a drag car, start with a Camaro, you'll get more bang for you buck.

No, you are wrong. The G37 sedan is a low-mid 13 second car in decent conditions. I ran 13.6 @ 102.8 mph in a less powerful bone stock G35 5-speed auto(at a notoriously bad track in 500+ DA). G37 sedan has 30-40 more whp and 1-2 more gears to work with.

Like I said yes Camaro SS is better platform for straight line speed, but the V6 Camaro isn't as good of a choice for straightline speed IMO.

P.S. low mile mint condition one owner G37 sedans can be had for $18-25k.

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by Swarm

is there a Camaro V6 that was able to do low 11/ high 10? expect for one hero run on Nitrous?

And isn't true there no aftermarket gearing for the automatic V6 camaro?

Mine is a low 11s based on my 1/8th and 1000' times. Might break into the 10s with the tweaks we are doing now.

Believe there are 3.55 Richmond gears for the A6. Definitely more options for the M6.

[Swarm]

a full bolt on V6 Camaro cant even beat a stock 370Z

sure the G are expensive and ugly but they are faster and come with fancy interior

on a side note: I discovered my friend Infiniti 2009 EX35 Journey has the same weight as my Camaro...lol

[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by 08-G35s/6MT

+1

We weren't talking about an LS1 4th gen Camaro either, idk where that came up and I'm not sure where the $25k number came in.

Oh yeah it starts out at less then $35k for 7-speed auto G sedan too. But that's beside the point, we were talking about how well each car responded to bolt ons and you said v6 Camaro was the better platform. I argue Nissan's FM platform for 370z/350z and g35/g37 is the superior choice and has much stronger aftermarket.



No, you are wrong. The G37 sedan is a low-mid 13 second car in decent conditions. I ran 13.6 @ 102.8 mph in a less powerful bone stock G35 5-speed auto(at a notoriously bad track in 500+ DA). G37 sedan has 30-40 more whp and 1-2 more gears to work with.

Like I said yes Camaro SS is better platform for straight line speed, but the V6 Camaro isn't as good of a choice for straightline speed IMO.

P.S. low mile mint condition one owner G37 sedans can be had for $18-25k.

Sorry, meant 1LS V6 Camaro. The G37 in your video and the one I provided the link for are both the AWD version. If you bought either a new 1LS V6 Camaro or the new G37 with AWD the prices I gave are correct.

As for the other BS, yes there is a better aftermarket of the older G35/G37. The LFX just came out in 2012 and the LLT in 2010. The aftermarket is building. We have mid 13s LLTs with just bolt ons.

Besides, you challanged all modded V6s, you didn't specify bolt-on only. When I took your challenge you put your tail between your legs and ran to "big brother." I'm just showing that my TT that is just now getting built is every bit a match for the fastest G37 that has been built of over the last few years.

$ for $, no doubt ANY Camaro is a better choice than a G37.

[DarkneSS]

Originally Posted by Swarm

i am not biased and i am pretty sure the V6 Camaro will lose when the other car is equally modded, the V6 Camaro doesnt respond well to mods like other cars such as Mustang and Genesis the G37 is a much better car with better engine, but its ugly (subjective?) and expensive lol

LLT/LFX is definitely more advanced than the vq35 or 37. Camaros problem is weight and tuning, other than that it's all the same really. Keep in mind the G cars have a big weight advantage and they are geared much more aggressively. Reduce the weight of the V6 Camaros to that of the gs and give them the same gears and they will run the same times. I came from a nitrousVQ, I know a ton about them and almost kept mind. At the end of the day it's all about how deep you want to go into your pocket. 5th gen Camaros look 10x better than Gs so that's what I went with. Not to mention they can be almost 10k less so one could easily make the argument that performance per dollar, v6 camaro comes out on top.