VIDEO! Motortrend Drag Race between GT500 and Camaro SS!

[Sleestack]

Originally Posted by benjj

A) wow, condescend much? stop acting like your extensive google search revealed some long lost info that only a select few gt500 owners know about.
C) the reason people are "bashing" the gt500 is that at $47k its numbers just aren't all that impressive. i know you can do this or that to it and all that will accomplish is bring us right back to statement B

to the mustangians lurking on these boards

This statement is very naïve regarding price point. Let's use the proposed Z28 for example. Starting point will be the 2SS model Camaro, since the top-of-the-line Camaro will not be released with a luxurious cloth interior = $36.5k. How much would GM charge to add forged internals and a SuperCharger to the base Camaro. The list on the SC itself is about $5.5k, so once you add the forged parts, additional parts (plumbing and cooling for SC), GG tax, Markup, you at or over $50k. Food for thought, happy eating.

[benjj]

Originally Posted by Sleestack

This statement is very naïve regarding price point. Let's use the proposed Z28 for example. Starting point will be the 2SS model Camaro, since the top-of-the-line Camaro will not be released with a luxurious cloth interior = $36.5k. How much would GM charge to add forged internals and a SuperCharger to the base Camaro. The list on the SC itself is about $5.5k, so once you add the forged parts, additional parts (plumbing and cooling for SC), GG tax, Markup, you at or over $50k. Food for thought, happy eating.

so let's, for arguments sake, take that $50k price tag u named as i don't see that being very far off. we'll look at this comparison from a performance stand point, as that is all your price increased included(sc, forged, etc.)

are we comfortable with acknowledging from a performance stand point that the gt500 is capable of 12.5 comfortably sometimes a little lower with the experience of the driver and weather, i kno this video doesn't show an accurate depiction of a gt500 1/4 being 12.8 or whatever it was. if we can agree upon that then we should also agree that the camaro ss as of right now is sitting at 12.9

i think the hennessey camaro is a close estimate as to what a $50k z28 would be able to accomplish from the factory, dont remember the exact numbers but i think it had an 11.6ish quarter. since we have no z28 yet, the hennessey was able to show us what a FI camaro could do with those power levels, having GM make a camaro like this for $50k with a warranty and the components to handle massive power later...that's food for thought i won't mind enjoying

[KoTToN]

i wouldnt mind being close to 50k with a

forged ls3 > forged 5.4
IRS > Solid Axle
A standard 6 speed
And the p**sy magnet on the borat edition, whereas ford only offers a Bruno edition

[Black GT]

Originally Posted by benjj

so let's, for arguments sake, take that $50k price tag u named as i don't see that being very far off. we'll look at this comparison from a performance stand point, as that is all your price increased included(sc, forged, etc.)

are we comfortable with acknowledging from a performance stand point that the gt500 is capable of 12.5 comfortably sometimes a little lower with the experience of the driver and weather, i kno this video doesn't show an accurate depiction of a gt500 1/4 being 12.8 or whatever it was. if we can agree upon that then we should also agree that the camaro ss as of right now is sitting at 12.9

i think the hennessey camaro is a close estimate as to what a $50k z28 would be able to accomplish from the factory, dont remember the exact numbers but i think it had an 11.6ish quarter. since we have no z28 yet, the hennessey was able to show us what a FI camaro could do with those power levels, having GM make a camaro like this for $50k with a warranty and the components to handle massive power later...that's food for thought i won't mind enjoying

Well for one the Hennessey Camaro is $59,000 for the base price, and it still don't have forged internals.
Also their 11.6 run was done on drag radials, and if you saw the video there was VHT all the way down the track.
Take the Hennessey Camaro and have them run on street tires comparable to the GT500's and I guarantee it will be a mid 12. sec. car also.

[ironpeddler]

Originally Posted by benjj

A) wow, condescend much? stop acting like your extensive google search revealed some long lost info that only a select few gt500 owners know about.

B) as to your "if you spend that then i'll just spend this" argument...who cares? everyone knows that you can spend money on any vehicle and make it go faster than something else

C) the reason people are "bashing" the gt500 is that at $47k its numbers just aren't all that impressive. i know you can do this or that to it and all that will accomplish is bring us right back to statement B

so if YOU want the gt500 then YOU should go buy what YOU want and just be happy you are financially able to make that decision. you don't have to come on here acting like a condescending tool in order to defend your personal preferrence in vehicles

to the mustangians lurking on these boards

Extensive google search? . You are exactly one of the people that doesn't really know what the gt500 has to offer. My post was trying to enlighten people like you to as why the gt500 is $50k. All you look at is HP/times and say, oh man for $50k that thing sucks, then come on these forums read my post and say that i'm acting like "condescending tool" when you know nothing about the gt500 except is 1/4 time... Did you have a bad day already/grumpy mood for some reason? Damn man I mean seriously, I didn't say one thing bad about anything/anybody. Go **** yourself.

[benjj]

Originally Posted by Black GT

Well for one the Hennessey Camaro is $59,000 for the base price, and it still don't have forged internals.
Also their 11.6 run was done on drag radials, and if you saw the video there was VHT all the way down the track.
Take the Hennessey Camaro and have them run on street tires comparable to the GT500's and I guarantee it will be a mid 12. sec. car also.

lets just be upfront about it now...what hennessey did with the camaro for $59,000 is basicly do a full bolt on package that anyone could do for faaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrr cheaper than 59 large...i was just using that as a referrence as to what the added power does for the camaro.

i'm more than certain that if gm were to bring the z28 out that it would be priced/powered to compete with the gt500. with the gt500 most likely receiving a FI variant of the coyote engine some of you guys have been talking about(correct me if i'm wrong here i'm not on mustang forums nearly as much as you guys are over here i kid i kid), i wouldn't doubt it if GM doesnt squeeze a little more power under the hood in anticipation

[benjj]

Originally Posted by ironpeddler

Extensive google search? . You are exactly one of the people that doesn't really know what the gt500 has to offer. My post was trying to enlighten people like you to as why the gt500 is $50k. All you look at is HP/times and say, oh man for $50k that thing sucks, then come on these forums read my post and say that i'm acting like "condescending tool" when you know nothing about the gt500 except is 1/4 time... Did you have a bad day already/grumpy mood for some reason? Damn man I mean seriously, I didn't say one thing bad about anything/anybody. Go **** yourself.

according to your theory since the gt500 is faster and has more hp...shouldn't i have a gt500 on order?

i called you a condescending tool(and i apologize for that) because in your original post you act as if camaro owners/purchasers are dumb and should have gotten a gt500. i don't think i've read a post on here yet saying the gt500 is a bad car by any means. maybe i took your statements wrong and for that i'm sorry but that's the impression i got from how you worded your post

[Ninjak]

Originally Posted by KoTToN

i wouldnt mind being close to 50k with a

forged ls3 > forged 5.4
IRS > Solid Axle
A standard 6 speed
And the p**sy magnet on the borat edition, whereas ford only offers a Bruno edition

Sigh*

Forged LS3 is just bigger than a forged 5.4 A forged engine is a good engine regardless of its CI

The skid pad proves otherwise, also experience 1/4 racers know LIVE AXLE > IRS....try reading this forums broken half shafts section...

?? The GT500 has a 6spd

I have no ideal wtf that even means...

[Speed74SS]

Here is a good price comparison that I have real numbers on. I bought my 2SS/RS for 36K plus the 11K for Lingenfelters package plus 1500 for Pedders Xa's and bushings. This puts me at 48,500. If you want to add in the Borla exhaust then it would be $49,800. I still have a warranty on the engine and S/C. Drivetrain I will probably upgrade as time goes on. Could I have had the same with GT500, probably but I love the Camaro. Get what you like and play with it. to all muscle cars!!

[radz28]

Originally Posted by Speed74SS

Here is a good price comparison that I have real numbers on. I bought my 2SS/RS for 36K plus the 11K for Lingenfelters package plus 1500 for Pedders Xa's and bushings. This puts me at 48,500. If you want to add in the Borla exhaust then it would be $49,800. I still have a warranty on the engine and S/C. Drivetrain I will probably upgrade as time goes on. Could I have had the same with GT500, probably but I love the Camaro. Get what you like and play with it. to all muscle cars!!

[KoTToN]

Originally Posted by Ninjak

Sigh*

Forged LS3 is just bigger than a forged 5.4 A forged engine is a good engine regardless of its CI

The skid pad proves otherwise, also experience 1/4 racers know LIVE AXLE > IRS....try reading this forums broken half shafts section...

?? The GT500 has a 6spd

I have no ideal wtf that even means...

50 cubic inches is not slight lol

The skid pad proves otherwise, also experience 1/4 racers know LIVE AXLE > IRS....try reading this forums broken half shafts section...

that was a quick read

never said the gt500 didnt have a 6 speed

if you dont know who borat or bruno are then thats your own problem

[GTAHVIT]

Originally Posted by Ninjak

lol you guys hang on that one guy who said he did 12.5 with a CIA, even though the makers of it, in the same type of car only manage 13.0......gotta love to how in the vid the "friend" says how much is he spraying...or he's spraying.

One more little fact...just because this guy did 12.5 with a CIA does not mean YOU will do 12.5 with just a CIA......
Still waiting to see someone else do this....since its all it takes...

That goes both ways doesn't it... Just owning a GT500 doesn't mean you can put down a 12 sec run in it right?

[GTAHVIT]

Originally Posted by Black GT

Well for one the Hennessey Camaro is $59,000 for the base price, and it still don't have forged internals.
Also their 11.6 run was done on drag radials, and if you saw the video there was VHT all the way down the track.
Take the Hennessey Camaro and have them run on street tires comparable to the GT500's and I guarantee it will be a mid 12. sec. car also.

I agree with everything you say except that you used Hennessey as a price comparrison.... I wouldn't compare a Saleen or a rousche to a factory SS...

small volume specialized tuners don't equal large volume manufacturers in price points.

But yes everything else makes sense.

[Ninjak]

Originally Posted by GTAHVIT

That goes both ways doesn't it... Just owning a GT500 doesn't mean you can put down a 12 sec run in it right?

Thats why I finish that with

Regardless of that, It still stands to say that anyone thinking they will dust of a GT500 with a stock camaro is in for a rude surprise.....that is if the driver(gt500) can actually drive a bit....

I have seen GT500 guys do 12.8 at our track because their 60ft times suck and there driving is bad. Hell, I know one guy at our shop with a 568RWHP Gt500 that his best is 12.95 because his driving sucks hadcore. So yes driving makes the difference. But I been saying that all along.