Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com
 
Vararam
Go Back   Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com > Engine | Drivetrain | Powertrain Technical Discussions > Camaro V8 LS3 / L99 Engine, Exhaust, and Bolt-Ons


Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 07-10-2013, 05:59 AM   #43
MightymouseSS
 
Drives: 2011 LS3
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: el paso tx
Posts: 547
If you look closely everyone recomends roto fab and they didn't put up impressive numbers themselves on the jre test. Its not all about numbers but quality and craftsmenship as well as your budget.
__________________
Vararam
Stainless Works Headers
Vmax TB
SLP loudmouth 2
Nightfury Cam
Mike Norris CC
Tuned by Southwest Speed
MightymouseSS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-10-2013, 12:21 PM   #44
JDP Sales
 
JDP Sales's Avatar
 
Drives: Chevys at the limit
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: SLC, UT
Posts: 9,621
Quote:
Originally Posted by MightymouseSS View Post
If you look closely everyone recomends roto fab and they didn't put up impressive numbers themselves on the jre test. Its not all about numbers but quality and craftsmenship as well as your budget.
Roto-Fab also redesigned their intake system after the test was done and it performs much better now. I would like to see the test be redone since said improvements.

Best regards,

Tyler
888-308-6007
JDP Sales is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-10-2013, 10:30 PM   #45
ThaCamaroKid
 
ThaCamaroKid's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS L99
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Royse City Tx.
Posts: 597
Quote:
Originally Posted by Camarojt View Post
Here is my opinion, if you just want a feel good mod so that you can grin when you push the gas pedal down, then Like some others have said, it really doesn't matter. The JRE test is just to give an idea of how they compare to each other on the dyno with no changes to tune.

However, if you plan to race your car, then absolutely it matters Bc I chase down every possible HP I can! But that's just me. Most all the top brands deliver HP gains for the extra dollar. Your not just buying a name. I am not familiar with a Hennessy CAI so I can't comment on it.

So make your decision based on what you plan to get out of your car. If you really don't race, and probably won't ever mod your car, then hey K&N up and enjoy the mod and the fact that it didn't cost much.

If you fall into the group most guys do and you don't wanna come in 2nd on a race, then you will want to consider a top brand CAI.

I use the ADM Race CAI w/scoop! It killed the K&N and outperformed the CAI inc and it made my car perform to it's maximum!
If I were gonna decide on a 2nd intake, I would try Vararam, Roto Fab, or maybe RacnJason's Cold Rush CAI.
If I am quite honest K&N has always made top shelf intakes, I am not entirely sure why the JRE test came out as they did because I've seen better dyno's from the intakes so I idk what the deal is w/ that

I am not saying the JRE test was bogus but I am saying I've seen better results from the K&N intakes. I don't remember exactly but I think it might have been a different model intake when the test was done? but I am not really sure if I am completely honest.
__________________

375RWHP/399RWTQ
ThaCamaroKid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2013, 12:55 AM   #46
TBone
Negative Camber Junkie
 
TBone's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 1SS LS3/6MN ABM 1 of 23
Join Date: May 2009
Location: ChiTown, IL
Posts: 1,824
Quote:
Originally Posted by wally mayfield View Post
thanks tbone, do u know what 5-10 horsepower increase does for 1/4 mile performance?
Quote:
Originally Posted by MightymouseSS View Post
thanks tbone, do u know what 5-10 horsepower increase does for 1/4 mile performance?

Not a thing. Your splitting hairs on hp numbers that won't have much of any affect on a 4000lbs car.
Quote:
Originally Posted by wally mayfield View Post
thats what i thought...
ACTUALLY, rule of thumb is 10 HP is a tenth off of your 1/4 mile time. Just like a loss of 100 lbs. is the same. Assuming all other variables are the same, 60ft, Da, Launch, etc.

And, MightyMouse, I did not just go by Jannetty's chart, I actually went to the track.

Back in 2010 my stock car was running in the 13's and I could not break into the 12's. The only change I made was putting on the Halltech CAI. Guess what, I broke into the 12's.

T.
__________________
"Horsepower is something that looks great in a Magazine article, but suspension is what actually gets you around the track fast.." Jack Olsen
The drag strip is like sniffing glue, it's cheap, it's a decent buzz, it doesn't last long and they are all the same.
Road racing is like China White Heroin, the buzz is stronger, the high lasts for hours, it's extremely addictive and they are all different.
I can't wait for my next
Track fix.
DA HAWKS OWN DA CUP!!!!!

Last edited by TBone; 07-12-2013 at 01:17 AM.
TBone is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2013, 12:58 AM   #47
axis
Search Ninja
 
axis's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 Black 2SS/RS A6
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Central Ark
Posts: 7,183
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThaCamaroKid View Post
If I am quite honest K&N has always made top shelf intakes, I am not entirely sure why the JRE test came out as they did because I've seen better dyno's from the intakes so I idk what the deal is w/ that

I am not saying the JRE test was bogus but I am saying I've seen better results from the K&N intakes. I don't remember exactly but I think it might have been a different model intake when the test was done? but I am not really sure if I am completely honest.
Care to show us the better results? I've seen several INDEPENDENT K&N dyno's that were pretty much right inline with the JRE test.
__________________
2010 Black 2SS/RS A6
Halltech CF 102 fed
GPI modded intake manifold
Bo (knows) White ported TB
Kooks LT's/ Dynomax VT
Pfadted (springs/sways)
Dyno tuned by Rhino and GPI

I once parallel parked a train.
axis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2013, 01:51 AM   #48
MightymouseSS
 
Drives: 2011 LS3
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: el paso tx
Posts: 547
I go to the track all the time and there's so my varibales for any repeatable results from a 10hp increase. More power is always better and dyno numbers aren't everything like I said before. But realistically a tenth can be gained pretty much in the driver alone.
__________________
Vararam
Stainless Works Headers
Vmax TB
SLP loudmouth 2
Nightfury Cam
Mike Norris CC
Tuned by Southwest Speed
MightymouseSS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2013, 03:46 AM   #49
rberns


 
rberns's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011 Camaro 2SS/RS
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: US
Posts: 3,291
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeyg36 View Post
K&N is absolute trash. Buy Roto-Fab, CAI, ADM etc. Oh yeah I almost forgot, buy it from Apex.
+1 K&N is a waste of money.
__________________
2011 Camaro 2SS/RS, Circle D 3200, ADM Transmission Cooler, BTR Valvetrain, Cam Motion .621 .595 228/244 113+4, ARH 1 7/8 full exhaust, Cold Air Inductions, Katech C5R TC, Melling HV, BTR SLR lifters, Trunion Upgrade, LS2 Dampner, LS9 head gaskets, Bo White PTB, MM can, GFX, Subs, B&M Deep transmission pan,
Holley fuel rail, Proform valve covers, relocated coil packs
rberns is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2013, 07:04 AM   #50
TBailey
 
TBailey's Avatar
 
Drives: 2013 2SS / RS / 1LE
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Texas
Posts: 48
ADM, with a scoop. You can't go wrong. My brother had a K&N and ended up trading it in for a ADM with a scoop and he's says that they are not even in the same class as far as throttle response and over all feel.
TBailey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2013, 12:40 PM   #51
Camarojt

 
Camarojt's Avatar
 
Drives: 2011camaro SS
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Allen, Tx
Posts: 2,202
Quote:
Originally Posted by TBailey View Post
ADM, with a scoop. You can't go wrong. My brother had a K&N and ended up trading it in for a ADM with a scoop and he's says that they are not even in the same class as far as throttle response and over all feel.
^^exactly!!
I don't get why it's brought up that "in a 4000lb car it makes no difference)??
I agree it won't give you some whopping .3 tenths!! Lets just say for example you have 2 identical cars, both drivers are identical, so there is no driver error, and now 1 of those cars is making 5-10 more HP? The car with the extra 5-10HP WILL WIN!! It's that simple! So if you do an already great job of driving your car, and so does the other guy, HP will prevail if all else is equal!!

Again I say, get a good CAI like the ADM! I personally did the swap from K&N to ADM and under the almost same DA ran .28 better in the 1/4!! The only difference besides the CAI swap was I adjusted my shift points down from 6300 to 6000. I'm sure that helped a little too but regardless there was a noticeable difference in feel and in time slip! PROVEN!
And 60ft on both runs were within 1 hundredth of each other so it's not like I spun!
Camarojt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2013, 12:45 PM   #52
woodstock
 
woodstock's Avatar
 
Drives: 2012 Corvette Grand Sport
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: martinez Ga.
Posts: 503
Airaid system ,great product for a reasonable price and they backup their system 100%.
__________________
Casper is a 2012 Corvette Grand Sport w/ Heritage package.
woodstock is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2013, 12:42 PM   #53
TBone
Negative Camber Junkie
 
TBone's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 1SS LS3/6MN ABM 1 of 23
Join Date: May 2009
Location: ChiTown, IL
Posts: 1,824
Quote:
Originally Posted by Camarojt View Post
^^exactly!!
I don't get why it's brought up that "in a 4000lb car it makes no difference)??
I agree it won't give you some whopping .3 tenths!! Lets just say for example you have 2 identical cars, both drivers are identical, so there is no driver error, and now 1 of those cars is making 5-10 more HP? The car with the extra 5-10HP WILL WIN!! It's that simple! So if you do an already great job of driving your car, and so does the other guy, HP will prevail if all else is equal!!

Again I say, get a good CAI like the ADM! I personally did the swap from K&N to ADM and under the almost same DA ran .28 better in the 1/4!! The only difference besides the CAI swap was I adjusted my shift points down from 6300 to 6000. I'm sure that helped a little too but regardless there was a noticeable difference in feel and in time slip! PROVEN!
And 60ft on both runs were within 1 hundredth of each other so it's not like I spun!
Ahhh, someone who gets it. I am ready to post this because I am tired of trying to explain it to the "others". But hey, they go to the track "all the time".

T.
__________________
"Horsepower is something that looks great in a Magazine article, but suspension is what actually gets you around the track fast.." Jack Olsen
The drag strip is like sniffing glue, it's cheap, it's a decent buzz, it doesn't last long and they are all the same.
Road racing is like China White Heroin, the buzz is stronger, the high lasts for hours, it's extremely addictive and they are all different.
I can't wait for my next
Track fix.
DA HAWKS OWN DA CUP!!!!!
TBone is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2013, 01:19 PM   #54
litle88
V8 Lounge member #2
 
litle88's Avatar
 
Drives: 2001 Ws6
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Burbank,IL
Posts: 6,373
I was data logging this week since I bought my HPT tuner suite, I have a vararam and I cant wait to data log my cousins car with a CAI. IAT's sky rocket at red lights but Quickly go down with a little movement. We'll see later this week,
__________________
2001 ws6, 40k miles, Ls3 416 stroker, short block built by PER the rest by me. LPE Ls3 heads milled to 12-1 comp, FAST 102, NW 102, kooks 2", dual DMH cutouts, Magnaflow C/B, BTR cam + springs. Full UMI suspension.
litle88 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-15-2013, 06:06 PM   #55
axis
Search Ninja
 
axis's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 Black 2SS/RS A6
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Central Ark
Posts: 7,183
Quote:
Originally Posted by litle88 View Post
I was data logging this week since I bought my HPT tuner suite, I have a vararam and I cant wait to data log my cousins car with a CAI. IAT's sky rocket at red lights but Quickly go down with a little movement. We'll see later this week,

MMMM, nothing like some tasty radiator heat right up your air intake, haha.
__________________
2010 Black 2SS/RS A6
Halltech CF 102 fed
GPI modded intake manifold
Bo (knows) White ported TB
Kooks LT's/ Dynomax VT
Pfadted (springs/sways)
Dyno tuned by Rhino and GPI

I once parallel parked a train.
axis is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:58 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2026, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.