2012 2ss l99 vs cocky kid 5.0

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Originally Posted by Scooter18155

This quote here is exactly why I bought my camaro. Everyone and there brother has a mustang at least in this area. That statement is so true that 30 yrs from now the market for these mustangs will be so flooded with cars they won't be worth as much as the camaro or the dodge challengers. The gt500 the boss cars will be ok value wise but I'm afraid the gt value will be in the gutter. Not trying to bash ford can't say I blame them from a company standpoint if you can build that many and sell them then by all means do it and they are great looking cars that perform well if that wasn't true they wouldn't sell so many.

Me personally I would rather drive something different. Around here I drive around my 2ss/rs I get looks thumbs up had some guy drive up beside me on a damn bicycle to tell me nice car lol and although the mustang is a very nice car i don't see it getting as much attention due to the vast numbers of them.

I agree. There are so many Mustangs out there......it's no big deal. I get thumbs up myself. An elderly lady walk up to me and said, "what a nice car." However, I have the blue convertible with aftermarket wheels. I haven't seen one yet exactly like mine. But for what I have heard from Mustang guys, both cars in stock form the Mustang will blow the Camaro away. Personally, I don't like anything stock.....just my nature. Later this fall, I will find out what this cam can to at the drag track.

[Deki]

Originally Posted by Scooter18155

This quote here is exactly why I bought my camaro. Everyone and there brother has a mustang at least in this area. That statement is so true that 30 yrs from now the market for these mustangs will be so flooded with cars they won't be worth as much as the camaro or the dodge challengers. The gt500 the boss cars will be ok value wise but I'm afraid the gt value will be in the gutter. Not trying to bash ford can't say I blame them from a company standpoint if you can build that many and sell them then by all means do it and they are great looking cars that perform well if that wasn't true they wouldn't sell so many.

Me personally I would rather drive something different. Around here I drive around my 2ss/rs I get looks thumbs up had some guy drive up beside me on a damn bicycle to tell me nice car lol and although the mustang is a very nice car i don't see it getting as much attention due to the vast numbers of them.

I'm not worried about the value of any modern mass produced car 30 years from now. Mustang or Camaro, they will be worth the same. Look at the 2000 model years and see the prices of each. With similar miles and equipment, they are within $100 of each other, and those are only 12 years old. Buying a Camaro over a Mustang just to be different is like buying a Nike over a Reebok for the same reason.

[Scooter18155]

Originally Posted by Deki

I'm not worried about the value of any modern mass produced car 30 years from now. Mustang or Camaro, they will be worth the same. Look at the 2000 model years and see the prices of each. With similar miles and equipment, they are within $100 of each other, and those are only 12 years old. Buying a Camaro over a Mustang just to be different is like buying a Nike over a Reebok for the same reason.

Are you kidding me? You think prices of 12 year old vehicles compares to prices of classic cars? One of the biggest price determinations of classic cars is the production numbers. Over the years cars will diminish due to being totaled out for one reason or another this includes the camaro or firebird. In time the prices of the less produced car will increase as the people who want and look for these cars will find it harder to find therefore will be willing to pay higher prices for them. Kind of like 63 split window corvette some people just want that split window and will pay more for it even though a 64 65 vette in better condition and better optioned may be available cheaper. Not saying a 2000 camaro or mustang will ever draw the $ a 63 vette does but the same principle will be true a car less populated or harder to come by will be worth more. Some prime examples are old chargers chevelles elcaminos challengers and even old mustangs. You think these cars would draw the $ they do if there was a lot more of them readily available? Laws of supply and demand always Win when the supply can't support the demand prices go up which will happen a lot sooner in a vehicle less produced.

[trademaster]

Maybe I'm missing something, but half the time when I log onto this site it shows sales figures for Mustang, Camaro and Challenger and the Camaro #s have typically been higher for the past few years. Sure there are more Mustangs in total by far, but comparing only the current generation of each respective car there are more Camaros.

[Biscuitpie]

Originally Posted by trademaster

Maybe I'm missing something, but half the time when I log onto this site it shows sales figures for Mustang, Camaro and Challenger and the Camaro #s have typically been higher for the past few years. Sure there are more Mustangs in total by far, but comparing only the current generation of each respective car there are more Camaros.

Uh, this is the internet. We only use facts and statistics that support our argument and ignore everything else. Get with the program.

[trademaster]

[Scooter18155]

Originally Posted by trademaster

Maybe I'm missing something, but half the time when I log onto this site it shows sales figures for Mustang, Camaro and Challenger and the Camaro #s have typically been higher for the past few years. Sure there are more Mustangs in total by far, but comparing only the current generation of each respective car there are more Camaros.

This may be true but the mustang generation has been going on how long now? Truth be told if the fifth gen camaro will be done in 2016 that will only be a 5 year run. Majority of consumers looking for classic cars not going to be so concerned looking for a certain year as there is only minor changes from a 2010-2014 camaro of certain model. Basically they will be looking for the body style a mustang consumer looking for this body style gt mustang will have plenty to choose from. Normal consumer wasnts a first gen camaro will generally look for any year first gen. Same for any model of a certain car. The ones looking for certain years or certain models would most likely be collectors of some sort. I'd be willing to bet they would be looking for gt500s and the zl1 camaros of this generation. Our ss and mustang gt will be the lesser valued cars of our generation but they will still be subject to the overall production numbers for value and considering overall production of current gen camaros as a whole vs current gen mustangs there is less camaros out there. I know there was a gap of no camaros being made but that isn't consumers fault or control. In fact I think that in itself is a testament to mustang as where camaro failed in that time mustangs prospered. I think gm did a verry poor job of knowing what people wanted. People didnt want the camaro/firebird to end per say they just wanted something better made. The fourth gen was a good car but those things have deffinate drawbacks.

[trademaster]

Originally Posted by Scooter18155

This may be true but the mustang generation has been going on how long now? Truth be told if the fifth gen camaro will be done in 2016 that will only be a 5 year run. Majority of consumers looking for classic cars not going to be so concerned looking for a certain year as there is only minor changes from a 2010-2014 camaro of certain model. Basically they will be looking for the body style a mustang consumer looking for this body style gt mustang will have plenty to choose from. Normal consumer wasnts a first gen camaro will generally look for any year first gen. Same for any model of a certain car. The ones looking for certain years or certain models would most likely be collectors of some sort. I'd be willing to bet they would be looking for gt500s and the zl1 camaros of this generation. Our ss and mustang gt will be the lesser valued cars of our generation but they will still be subject to the overall production numbers for value and considering overall production of current gen camaros as a whole vs current gen mustangs there is less camaros out there. I know there was a gap of no camaros being made but that isn't consumers fault or control. In fact I think that in itself is a testament to mustang as where camaro failed in that time mustangs prospered. I think gm did a verry poor job of knowing what people wanted. People didnt want the camaro/firebird to end per say they just wanted something better made. The fourth gen was a good car but those things have deffinate drawbacks.

That depends on whether or not you consider the 2005-2010 Mustangs to be perfect substitutes for 2011-2014 Mustangs which I would argue is not the case. The latter has a completely different drivetrain, revised suspension and brakes, overhauled exterior and interior and is far more desirable to the car enthusiast market that would make up the demand side of any future market for these cars. The difference in demand for these cars in comparison to the 2005-2010 cars will probably be comparable to the disparity in demand between lt1 fourth gens and ls1 fourth gens -- massive. I get where you're coming from, but any future market for these mustangs will be heavily in favor of the later models with the updated drivetrain and interior/exterior, so those are the cars that should really be compared to the fifth gens as far as supply.

[Scooter18155]

Originally Posted by trademaster

That depends on whether or not you consider the 2005-2010 Mustangs to be perfect substitutes for 2011-2014 Mustangs which I would argue is not the case. The latter has a completely different drivetrain, revised suspension and brakes, overhauled exterior and interior and is far more desirable to the car enthusiast market that would make up the demand side of any future market for these cars. The difference in demand for these cars in comparison to the 2005-2010 cars will probably be comparable to the disparity in demand between lt1 fourth gens and ls1 fourth gens -- massive. I get where you're coming from, but any future market for these mustangs will be heavily in favor of the later models with the updated drivetrain and interior/exterior, so those are the cars that should really be compared to the fifth gens as far as supply.

I do agree with you the mustangs will be like the fourth gen f body's in that reguard. Just shows you what competition will do. Before camaro and dodge came on board mustang was fine riding the market. The minute competition comes out mustang had to upgrade. Unfortunately only time will tell what will be more sought after any talk now is just speculation and opinions. In the end both cars will be nice cars to have.

[Thrillz]

I would love to see this kid challenge SS Shaun. Now that would be entertaining.

[Evotion]

I saw the title of this post and was scratching my head trying to figure out how it could be 13 pages long. Now I know.

THIS is why I spent the last 3 years (after my '10 arrived, recently traded for a ZL1) away from this site, I feel bad for the OP that has to sift through these posts to see if anyone chimed in with info that is relevant to his question (yes I know I'm guilty now too).

Here's my 2 cents. I spent the better part of my first 30 years with a 350 powered '69 Camaro, a car that Was given to me when i stil wore my underoos. It's what I grew up with, what I loved. It took a lot of years to escape my Chevy bias, helped by a 25 year stretch of not very good cars (IMO) from all of the big three.

As time went by I began to appreciate the passion that owners have for their cars, I share the same passion of almost anything with 4 wheels. When the 5th gen Camaro was unveiled it restored my passion, but when there was talk on whether or not it would be built I looked at the GT500. Why? Because muscle cars are a way of life for most of us, I thought it was a great car, just not what I wanted.

My point is this... A GT500 will beat my ZL1 in a straight line. Odds are I will take the GT500 on a road course. In the end it doesn't matter... I love my Camaro because its what I wanted, just like Mustang owners, Mercedes, Ferrari etc. No amount of magazine articles or talk of cheap interior will ever change the way I feel about it, and it shouldn't for anyone who is passionate about their car.

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Originally Posted by Scooter18155

This quote here is exactly why I bought my camaro. Everyone and there brother has a mustang at least in this area. That statement is so true that 30 yrs from now the market for these mustangs will be so flooded with cars they won't be worth as much as the camaro or the dodge challengers. The gt500 the boss cars will be ok value wise but I'm afraid the gt value will be in the gutter. Not trying to bash ford can't say I blame them from a company standpoint if you can build that many and sell them then by all means do it and they are great looking cars that perform well if that wasn't true they wouldn't sell so many.

Me personally I would rather drive something different. Around here I drive around my 2ss/rs I get looks thumbs up had some guy drive up beside me on a damn bicycle to tell me nice car lol and although the mustang is a very nice car i don't see it getting as much attention due to the vast numbers of them.

Then find a nice clean Pontiac Aztec. Their different, hell Pontiac isn't even around anymore! Or maybe a person should just buy/drive what ever they want and not give a rats ass about who else has one or doesn't.

[GQ4Life]

Tired of the internet warriors trying to put american cars down by saying interior cheap then compares it to cars that cost more then twice as much

I proud of all american cars. Keep america economy strong

[GQ4Life]

Originally Posted by bluebeastsrt

And it's gotta kill the magazines to admit a Mustang GT is just as good as a M3 or that a ZL1 is every bit the performer the M5 is.

Yep