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Firefighter · 08-17-2013, 02:34 PM

I'm in the market for LT's I was going to buy some in the next couple of weeks but I have a chance at a set of CTS-V brakes for a good price. That puts me off a month or so. It gives some time for this test to go down. I'm all for it...

If you need to start a fund I'll donate some cash.

thahemp · 08-17-2013, 02:42 PM

Honestly... Just go buy headers. We all know what the outcome of the test is going to be. This test is to shut people up, not expose some incredible header.

Bo White · 08-17-2013, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by GearBangr

Count me in guys, sounds like a great time. Id be more than happy to make the short drive from Amarillo to help. If it helps, Im an ASE Master L1 tech, so some credibility there.

Not too far at all. I ate lunch just down the road from TSP and ate dinner at the Big Texan in Amarillo.

Firefighter · 08-17-2013, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by thahemp

Honestly... Just go buy headers. We all know what the outcome of the test is going to be. This test is to shut people up, not expose some incredible header.

Probably right but if it comes down to two of the brands I'm looking at and one Jade a few more HP/TQ or the TQ comes in earlier and the price is a wash which would you rather buy.

I agree whole heartily that no one header is that much better than the other to pull off a set and replace it with another but if you are going from no headers to some LT's than this test just might be worth waiting for

thahemp · 08-17-2013, 04:01 PM

The differences between them fall into the margin of error when you consider tuning, weather, and dynos. The goal is to move more air. Make sure you have a good intake and decent longtubes. Then mess with valve events to cram more air into the cylinder. Noiding out on headers is a waste of time.

Firefighter · 08-17-2013, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by thahemp

The differences between them fall into the margin of error when you consider tuning, weather, and dynos. The goal is to move more air. Make sure you have a good intake and decent longtubes. Then mess with valve events to cram more air into the cylinder. Noiding out on headers is a waste of time.

Agreed. But if there is a shoot out on the horizon the info won't hurt . The grand scheme of things the Stainless Power headers should be up there as far as bang for the buck. The stepped and the tri-y designs intrigue me though. I'm looking to do everything possible to encourage TQ production. If one of the aforementioned designs encourages that enough to justify the extra cost than I'll spend it. Otherwise I keep my money and get the SP's...

Orange Crush 1LE · 08-17-2013, 04:12 PM

As long as you buy premium headers, not the cheapies, you won't be able to see an appreciable difference.

I took a different approach than most- My installer/tuner has a stellar rep, and has done lots of Camaros. I let him choose the longtubes since he had to do the work. I've personally installed long tubes in the past that didn't fit right and had to pound the crap out of them to make them fit, never again.

He likes ARH, so that made the choice easy for me. I would imagine others would do just as well. There are a few threads about fitment issues, I steered clear of those headers to be safe.

Firefighter · 08-17-2013, 04:15 PM

The Stainless Powers are the same as the Stainless Works at a substantial savings they are just built off shore for Stainless Works to offer something more affordable.

BlaqWhole · 08-17-2013, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Firefighter

Agreed. But if there is a shoot out on the horizon the info won't hurt . The grand scheme of things the Stainless Power headers should be up there as far as bang for the buck. The stepped and the tri-y designs intrigue me though. I'm looking to do everything possible to encourage TQ production. If one of the aforementioned designs encourages that enough to justify the extra cost than I'll spend it. Otherwise I keep my money and get the SP's...

The info definitely won't hurt. If you're gonna get headers in the next few weeks, then you probably might as well wait for the test results. Me personally, I wouldn't be able to wait. And like thahemp said, the differences won't be significant and will all be due to weather changes, small changes in tuning, etc. We all know that no one particular brand is gonna come out as superior over the rest by 15-20 hp. They will all most likely be within the same range.

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Originally Posted by Orange Crush 1LE

As long as you buy premium headers, not the cheapies, you won't be able to see an appreciable difference.

I took a different approach than most- My installer/tuner has a stellar rep, and has done lots of Camaros. I let him choose the longtubes since he had to do the work. I've personally installed long tubes in the past that didn't fit right and had to pound the crap out of them to make them fit, never again.

He likes ARH, so that made the choice easy for me. I would imagine others would do just as well. There are a few threads about fitment issues, I steered clear of those headers to be safe.

Actually, I would love to see how the "cheapies" stack up against the "premium" headers. And I would hope that honesty and integrity would hold up against popularity. Because if a no-name brand set of $300 headers from Ebay make the same or even more than a top name brand, I would hope for that info to be truthfully presented. Of course, again, I know this test is more of an actual gains vs advertised gains type of deal. But consider that the cheapos advertise 10-15 hp gains while some of the top brand companies are talking about 40+hp/60+tq to the wheels. I think the results will be more than surprising. Hopefully the OP will spring for some cheapos. They're only like $250 shipped!! Those may turn out to be the best bang for the buck after all, lol!! Imagine the uproar if that happened...!!

Country Boy · 08-17-2013, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

The info definitely won't hurt. If you're gonna get headers in the next few weeks, then you probably might as well wait for the test results. Me personally, I wouldn't be able to wait. And like thahemp said, the differences won't be significant and will all be due to weather changes, small changes in tuning, etc. We all know that no one particular brand is gonna come out as superior over the rest by 15-20 hp. They will all most likely be within the same range.

Actually, I would love to see how the "cheapies" stack up against the "premium" headers. And I would hope that honesty and integrity would hold up against popularity. Because if a no-name brand set of $300 headers from Ebay make the same or even more than a top name brand, I would hope for that info to be truthfully presented. Of course, again, I know this test is more of an actual gains vs advertised gains type of deal. But consider that the cheapos advertise 10-15 hp gains while some of the top brand companies are talking about 40+hp/60+tq to the wheels. I think the results will be more than surprising. Hopefully the OP will spring for some cheapos. They're only like $250 shipped!! Those may turn out to be the best bang for the buck after all, lol!! Imagine the uproar if that happened...!!

I might be able to make the "el cheapo" thing work... have to check my source.

Sent from my S-fo'.

Mydivorcegift · 08-17-2013, 07:15 PM

First I don't think the test will ever happen. So far none of the vendors or manufacturers have seemed to want to participate with the exception of Texas Speed. I had suggested in another thread for every SS owner to contribute $5, maybe $10 and most of the headers could be bought especially if the manufacturers would be willing to sell them at cost to show how their product performs. If they wouldn't, well......after the test the slightly used headers could be sold and most of the money recouped.

Second I would love to see some cheapos too in the mix. Most probably aren't aware, but....

The fastest NA, stock cubed car on here (Ryan's aka Rhino) runs what I believe are the cheapest headers made for our cars....

Bo White · 08-17-2013, 07:34 PM

Most everyone here has a PayPal. I can send money......and depending on when I'll be there.

Mydivorcegift · 08-17-2013, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo White

Most everyone here has a PayPal. I can send money......and depending on when I'll be there.

Same.

Country Boy · 08-17-2013, 07:51 PM

My source doesnt sell the 2010+ headers anymore so I cant contribute. I'd throw out a couple bucks just to see the outcome.

Sent from my S-fo'.

08-17-2013, 02:34 PM	#85
Firefighter Drives: Black '13 2SS/RS/1LE w/NPP/NAV Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Tampa by way of Miami... Posts: 4,934	I'm in the market for LT's I was going to buy some in the next couple of weeks but I have a chance at a set of CTS-V brakes for a good price. That puts me off a month or so. It gives some time for this test to go down. I'm all for it... If you need to start a fund I'll donate some cash. __________________ My Build Thread... http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=285054

08-17-2013, 02:42 PM	#86
thahemp Geek Drives: 2012 Black LS3 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Derby, KS Posts: 4,343 View My Garage	Honestly... Just go buy headers. We all know what the outcome of the test is going to be. This test is to shut people up, not expose some incredible header. __________________ 01000111011011110110111101100100001000000110110001 11010101100011011010110010000001110111011010010111 01000110100000100000011101000110100001101001011100 110010000001101111011011100110010100100001 x = ac97968bd3df8f968c8cd3df998a9c94d3df9c8a918bd3df9c 909c94df8c8a9c949a8dd3df92908b979a8ddf998a9c949a8d d3df8b968b8cd1 x = ~x

08-17-2013, 04:01 PM	#89
thahemp Geek Drives: 2012 Black LS3 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Derby, KS Posts: 4,343 View My Garage	The differences between them fall into the margin of error when you consider tuning, weather, and dynos. The goal is to move more air. Make sure you have a good intake and decent longtubes. Then mess with valve events to cram more air into the cylinder. Noiding out on headers is a waste of time. __________________ 01000111011011110110111101100100001000000110110001 11010101100011011010110010000001110111011010010111 01000110100000100000011101000110100001101001011100 110010000001101111011011100110010100100001 x = ac97968bd3df8f968c8cd3df998a9c94d3df9c8a918bd3df9c 909c94df8c8a9c949a8dd3df92908b979a8ddf998a9c949a8d d3df8b968b8cd1 x = ~x

08-17-2013, 04:15 PM	#92
Firefighter Drives: Black '13 2SS/RS/1LE w/NPP/NAV Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Tampa by way of Miami... Posts: 4,934	The Stainless Powers are the same as the Stainless Works at a substantial savings they are just built off shore for Stainless Works to offer something more affordable. __________________ My Build Thread... http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=285054

08-17-2013, 07:15 PM	#95
Mydivorcegift Future Mopar Owner Drives: 2011, 2SS/RS, Synergy Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: TN Posts: 2,373	First I don't think the test will ever happen. So far none of the vendors or manufacturers have seemed to want to participate with the exception of Texas Speed. I had suggested in another thread for every SS owner to contribute $5, maybe $10 and most of the headers could be bought especially if the manufacturers would be willing to sell them at cost to show how their product performs. If they wouldn't, well......after the test the slightly used headers could be sold and most of the money recouped. Second I would love to see some cheapos too in the mix. Most probably aren't aware, but.... The fastest NA, stock cubed car on here (Ryan's aka Rhino) runs what I believe are the cheapest headers made for our cars.... __________________ 2005 GTO-IBM-A4-Sold 2011 Camaro SS/RS Synergy-1 of 255-Sold You will be missed but you are in good hands! 2019 Challenger Hellcat B5, Redeye, Widebody

08-17-2013, 04:12 PM	#91
Orange Crush 1LE Drives: 2022 SS 1LE Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 1,086	As long as you buy premium headers, not the cheapies, you won't be able to see an appreciable difference. I took a different approach than most- My installer/tuner has a stellar rep, and has done lots of Camaros. I let him choose the longtubes since he had to do the work. I've personally installed long tubes in the past that didn't fit right and had to pound the crap out of them to make them fit, never again. He likes ARH, so that made the choice easy for me. I would imagine others would do just as well. There are a few threads about fitment issues, I steered clear of those headers to be safe.

08-17-2013, 07:34 PM	#96
Bo White Drives: 2015 Summit White 2SS 1LE Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Vance Alabama Posts: 8,090	Most everyone here has a PayPal. I can send money......and depending on when I'll be there. __________________ Retired wanna be cylinder head porter 2015 2SS 1LE Clutch reservoir, Vararam DRX, ported TB, TSP 2" headers, MGW shifter, stage 4 cam and Wilkes 11° 65cc heads Totalled: 2010 1SS Wilkes Performance/Eagle 416 shortblock, TSP custom valvetrain, PRC 260 heads, Edelbrock Pro Flo 102, th400 swap, 8" PTC 5500 stall= 535/435 at the wheels tuned Gen 3 Performance and Dyno 10.97 @ 124 full weight in 3100 DA CamaroFest X

08-17-2013, 07:51 PM	#98
Country Boy Drives: Eh.. Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: FL Posts: 77	My source doesnt sell the 2010+ headers anymore so I cant contribute. I'd throw out a couple bucks just to see the outcome. Sent from my S-fo'.