Camaro SS manual shipment (not production) hold officially confirmed by GM (UPDATED)

[Phil's 06]

Just got off the phone with my friend that is a engineer at GM (differnt department), he talked to one of the engineers in the Camaro department. They came up with 2 fixes that will be in all the new built camaro's. 1 is a larger trany rod/shaft or bolt thingy. The other part of fix is some thing in software. Sounds like they wont be recalling any just fixing / changing them if problem occurs on the released built ones.

[Matt'sSS]

Originally Posted by Supermans

You don't understand, I know that if I baby it, the issue will never happen. However that doesn't mean it isn't there and that it needs to be fixed.. All I am asking is a reassurance mine does not have that problem and obviously if GM's QC team has already figured out which ones are affected and which ones are not at the QC portion of the plant because they let some thru and kept others....Then our dealers should know or learn how to do the same testing procedure for Camaro's like mine built during the same timeframe..

I understand perfectly fine.

I'm not telling you to baby it for the rest of your life. I'm recommending you follow Scott's advice & not hammer on it until we have more answers which will hopefully just be a couple of days, maybe more.

All of the information about the failure is not known at this time. Scott just said today that they were still throughly investigating the details. Until they know what exactly is going on and who it effects how to you possibly expect them to tell you specifically what your cars status is? The problem may only be a small percentage of a specific VIN range, not the entire range.

As much attention is being paid to this, people seem to skip right over the words coming out of the blue bow-tie's mouth.

Here's the snippet from Scott earlier, I HAVE EDITED THE FORMATTING FOR EMPHASIS, the only text I removed was his comment about the Dentist, just in case people didn't make it past that first line

Originally Posted by fbodfather

Now...this thread was started on the 14th -- the few transmissions that have failed have just started to show up -- and it's only a few. I suspect we'll find out that the population of transmissions with any issues is very small -- but --people -- it takes time to do the research.

Here we are 2 days later -- and believe me, we're working around the clock to fix the issue -- yet some are 'demanding' a 'statement'..

What statement exactly do you want us to put out?

You can't put out a statement until you know all of the facts. (..I'll take that back....SOME people might put out a statement - but what happens if you have the facts wrong?....)

(..it's like the aftermath of a plane crash -- a plane crashes and a reporter is demanding to know "what happened???"...... IT TAKES TIME to get all of the information.

I SUSPECT -- note I said "SUSPECT" -- I did not say "Guarantee"......that we'll find out that the population of transmissions with any issues is very small -- but --people -- it takes time to do the research.

I'd ask a few to cool it with the 'net rage and let us respond once we have all of the facts -

Frankly - I think you're going to hear more either tomorrow or Monday.
Fingers crossed.

That's the important stuff as I see it when I read that. And to me it basically means

-They know there's a problem
-They're working to resolve it as quickly as possible
-They don't have all the answers yet
-They'll let us know when they do, which hopefully will only be a couple of days

I wouldn't stop driving my car, but I wouldn't hammer for a few days until everyone knows what's going on it either. Don't baby it, just drive it & without burning up tires, clutch, or the carpet under the gas pedal.

I know it's hard to keep your foot out of it everyone, but there is a happy medium between the keys hanging on the wall and the car going on the flatbed. The vast majority of the planet seems to be able to do it most their entire life, I'm sure we can handle it till Monday (or maybe a bit later)...

[2001ragtop]

I think what Superman's is saying is that no matter what he now is "stressed out" because he has this feeling at any time his tranny output shaft will snap. (He is concerned about this over the lifetime of his vehicle, even after the warranty expires, which is still a valid concern.)

I want to say based PURELY ON STATISTICS, I BET anything he probably has nothing to be worried about. VERY, VERY few cars have been reported with an actual broken shaft.

MANY people have come forward and said they have abused every inch of their car and nothing bad happened.

My advice is just to drive the car AS IF you were never told of any such problems and wait and see what happens. Pay your AAA bill and pay a little extra and get AAA PLUS because they will tow it for free as far as 100 miles if you have that. (If possible also follow the advice about not dumping the clutch at 6000, or excessively flogging it. NO CAR should experience a dumping of any clutch. Thats just asking to snap something, maybe even pop some springs out of the clutch disk, or damage the rear end differential.)

Ultimately "that's how it goes" if the tranny does break. It will be fixed though. Once more info is available later on, it will probably put everyone at ease. Once the official "fix" is well known.

[ssrsheaven]

At least ther trying to work out the problem before it get out of hand.

[Supermans]

Originally Posted by Phil's 06

Just got off the phone with my friend that is a engineer at GM (differnt department), he talked to one of the engineers in the Camaro department. They came up with 2 fixes that will be in all the new built camaro's. 1 is a larger trany rod/shaft or bolt thingy. The other part of fix is some thing in software. Sounds like they wont be recalling any just fixing / changing them if problem occurs on the released built ones.

So lets hope this is something all of us Camaro owners with the smaller rods and so forth can get this replaced at the dealer and the software updated so we will not have this problem down the road...

[fbodfather]

Originally Posted by Ltdodge

well whats the deal with the cars that are already delievered?

my vin is very close to the vins that the tranny broke.

i dont want to get stranded with my 6 year old daughter on the expressway with a broken transmission!! everyday i drive the car I am concerned that i may be stranded.

There are only a certain number that have issues - we're working on finding out which ones.....

Unless you're doing a lot of burnouts, you should not have anything to worry about --

[fbodfather]

Originally Posted by camaross14

ok so......are they going to start pulling orders now for manual ss's???any one know

Yes. We are going to continue to build SSs with the 6-speed manual transmission -- and those will not have the issue.

[fbodfather]

Originally Posted by Supermans

You don't understand, I know that if I baby it, the issue will never happen. However that doesn't mean it isn't there and that it needs to be fixed.. All I am asking is a reassurance mine does not have that problem and obviously if GM's QC team has already figured out which ones are affected and which ones are not at the QC portion of the plant because they let some thru and kept others....Then our dealers should know or learn how to do the same testing procedure for Camaro's like mine built during the same timeframe..

You are really trying to kill me, aren't you?



Pay attention:

We discovered a problem less than a week ago.

We are working around the clock with the supplier to determine which units are involved.

We ARE NOT DOING burnouts to 'test' them.

Please - calm down. I understand your concern -- and if we'd discovered this two months ago and you had no info, I could understand your constant concern-- BUT -- we learned of it this week - WHAT IS IT that you want me to do? I can't tell you if we have NOT FINISHED WITH all of the investigation and have all of the answers, now can I????

I love ya dearly -- but please -- calm down!

[fbodfather]

Originally Posted by Phil's 06

Just got off the phone with my friend that is a engineer at GM (differnt department), he talked to one of the engineers in the Camaro department. They came up with 2 fixes that will be in all the new built camaro's. 1 is a larger trany rod/shaft or bolt thingy. The other part of fix is some thing in software. Sounds like they wont be recalling any just fixing / changing them if problem occurs on the released built ones.

Not true. If there is an issue, we'll notify.

[R1Ecko]

Thanks for the quick action and keeping us in the loop fbod!

[The_Blur]

Originally Posted by fbodfather

There are only a certain number that have issues - we're working on finding out which ones.....

Unless you're doing a lot of burnouts, you should not have anything to worry about --

This is a very important thing to remember: not every car in a given VIN range that has been identified as having a problem has that problem. QC might find some mistakes and correct them, the workers on the line might correct the problem, or the part might not be the same as the bad part put on the previous or following car. GM does not want any major snags with the Camaro. As a result, the vast majority of cars are flawless or nearly flawless. In the first year, every new car has some kinks, but GM has done a great job with the Camaro's development, and that shows.

[fbodfather]

Originally Posted by 2001ragtop

. Pay your AAA bill and pay a little extra and get AAA PLUS because they will tow it for free as far as 100 miles if you have that. (If possible also follow the advice about not dumping the clutch at 6000, or excessively flogging it. NO CAR should experience a dumping of any clutch. Thats just asking to snap something, maybe even pop some springs out of the clutch disk, or damage the rear end differential.)

Ultimately "that's how it goes" if the tranny does break. It will be fixed though. Once more info is available later on, it will probably put everyone at ease. Once the official "fix" is well known.

You do not have to pay your AAA bill.

Every new Camaro comes with OnStar-- and free roadside assistance.

IN THE UNLIKELY EVENT -- let me rephrase that -- IN THE VERY UNLIKELY EVENT that yours should fail -- simply hit the blue OnStar button - we'll be on there within a minute and we'll send in the cavalry to save you - and give you a car to drive in the meantime.

[Matt'sSS]

Originally Posted by fbodfather

There are only a certain number that have issues - we're working on finding out which ones.....

Unless you're doing a lot of burnouts, you should not have anything to worry about --

[Jetsco]

My dealer just emailed me and stated that I am now at 4800. Is that a good sign or bad? He didn't state wether it was a 4D or 4B... Anyone have any insight?