Z/28 MSRP ABOVE 70K

[rrpilot]

Originally Posted by DuskSS

I think you are a little delusional myself. No way in hell will this car be able to hang with even the z06 vette and most likely will not even beat the c7 track package that can be had in the same price range.
I'm sorry I love Camaros but world class sports cars they are not.

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Well then I think you may want to give Stevenson Motorsports a call and tell them to stop beating all those Porches, Corvettes and Ferrari's In Grand-Am racing, let them know that the Camaro they are racing isn't a world class race car. Here is their phone number 910-938-0082

[Zfatuated]

Originally Posted by backtotintops

I was told in july from a pretty smart guy who "spoke with an unnamed gm engineer at the nyc launch" and he was told @100k. This is a seasoned bmw track guy and has no skin in the game either way and I believe he was told that…whether that is true is another matter.




this is a joke right? You gotta get out to the track more my friend.

Yeah, and then he talks about a Mercedes Black as a "track car for the street". Lol...a Black is a fine GT street car, but not something that will hold up for HPDE. Speaking from experience not speculation.

In regards to $100k for a new Z/28, there is not a snowballs chance that will happen. Definitely a "my dealer is ordering my car in two weeks!" type story :-) But let's play with that thought for a minute? A used .2 GT3 is around $100k, a used .1 GT3RS is $90k'ish. A BOSS 302S, if you can locate one is $80-90k'ish. A GT-R used is $80k, new $95k. There is nothing street legal Ford or Chrysler (Late edit- on second thought - Viper! How I did I overlook that?) makes that is worth comparing. There is nothing else street legal, import or domestic, close or lower in (guesstimated) price that offers the performance and durability to run (DE/HPDE/TT/PDX) lap after lap like the Z/28 will. I'm talking apples to apples, cars as they come off the showroom floor.

The Z/28 will spank the Porsche and 302S on lap times, there is no doubt about that. The 302S suspension and brakes are stone-age. The Porsche per hour running costs are astronomical. GT-R will be close on lap times to a Z/28 but anyone who is not a poseur knows a tracked GT-R goes into limp mode due to overheating after just a handful of laps- then you pull in and let it cool down for an hour.

So, a case could be made, in regards to the overall value proposition, that a Z/28 would be easily worth $100k because its competition (raw performance) is priced at $140k-250k. 991 GT3, McLaren MP4-12C (mushy brakes!), 458. No Lambos- terrible track cars, heavy and the brakes go away.

Figure $150k worth of performance, visceral 427 V8 goodness, minus $50k for dog-house interior (who needs a leather interior for a track car? seriously?), and voila' you have the case for a $100k Z/28.

Only other car close in value is a new Corvette and that is a totally different value proposition. And I would not be surprised at all if the Z/28 turns a faster lap time at a given track than a new 'Vette.

Them's the facts, like them or not. The current 'Vette, and next years Z/28 offer the best out of the box value proposition for trackers of anything else currently available out there right now. If you think $60k is expensive for what the Z/28 will offer, you are living in an alternate reality.

Coming from a guy who runs SCCA Time Trials in his street cars for years and who would never have considered in a million years to buy a Chevy for tracking. Things change.

[Zfatuated]

Originally Posted by Oak

IMO you will be able to walk into the dealer and order one at less than $64,995

I doubt its even a super limited production. I have not read that anywhere. IF it was limited they would have said that and be touting it as that makes it more "special"

Go watch the Leno video. Does anyone ever do homework anymore?

[Zfatuated]

Originally Posted by Oak

they never said how many units they would produce?

Did you watch the video?

Jay: "The cool thing is they're only going to build about, what, 1500 of this a year?"

Al: "That's right, yup..."

[Mister Will]

Originally Posted by Zfatuated

Did you watch the video?

Jay: "The cool thing is they're only going to build about, what, 1500 of this a year?"

Al: "That's right, yup..."

I agree. That's what he said. But he didn't say it with a lot of conviction.

I guess we will know when real dates and prices are released.

[90503]

Originally Posted by Oak

they never said how many units they would produce?

Oak, no worries....I see you only just joined....a lot of this stuff has been hashed and re-hashed numerous times over the last few months already...

....enjoy the forums and the threads...there's a lot that can be learned from just reading some of the threads first...welcome....

[90503]

Originally Posted by Zfatuated

Yeah, and then he talks about a Mercedes Black as a "track car for the street". Lol...a Black is a fine GT street car, but not something that will hold up for HPDE. Speaking from experience not speculation.

In regards to $100k for a new Z/28, there is not a snowballs chance that will happen. Definitely a "my dealer is ordering my car in two weeks!" type story :-) But let's play with that thought for a minute? A used .2 GT3 is around $100k, a used .1 GT3RS is $90k'ish. A BOSS 302S, if you can locate one is $80-90k'ish. A GT-R used is $80k, new $95k. There is nothing street legal Ford or Chrysler (Late edit- on second thought - Viper! How I did I overlook that?) makes that is worth comparing. There is nothing else street legal, import or domestic, close or lower in (guesstimated) price that offers the performance and durability to run (DE/HPDE/TT/PDX) lap after lap like the Z/28 will. I'm talking apples to apples, cars as they come off the showroom floor.

The Z/28 will spank the Porsche and 302S on lap times, there is no doubt about that. The 302S suspension and brakes are stone-age. The Porsche per hour running costs are astronomical. GT-R will be close on lap times to a Z/28 but anyone who is not a poseur knows a tracked GT-R goes into limp mode due to overheating after just a handful of laps- then you pull in and let it cool down for an hour.

So, a case could be made, in regards to the overall value proposition, that a Z/28 would be easily worth $100k because its competition (raw performance) is priced at $140k-250k. 991 GT3, McLaren MP4-12C (mushy brakes!), 458. No Lambos- terrible track cars, heavy and the brakes go away.

Figure $150k worth of performance, visceral 427 V8 goodness, minus $50k for dog-house interior (who needs a leather interior for a track car? seriously?), and voila' you have the case for a $100k Z/28.

Only other car close in value is a new Corvette and that is a totally different value proposition. And I would not be surprised at all if the Z/28 turns a faster lap time at a given track than a new 'Vette.

Them's the facts, like them or not. The current 'Vette, and next years Z/28 offer the best out of the box value proposition for trackers of anything else currently available out there right now. If you think $60k is expensive for what the Z/28 will offer, you are living in an alternate reality.

Coming from a guy who runs SCCA Time Trials in his street cars for years and who would never have considered in a million years to buy a Chevy for tracking. Things change.

Z-Man...They should give you a new Z/28 just for advertising purposes...lol....

(Be careful with confusing the issue with the facts...It's not a popular thing to do on these forums....lol_)

[Zfatuated]

Originally Posted by 90503

Z-Man...They should give you a new Z/28 just for advertising purposes...lol....

(Be careful with confusing the issue with the facts...It's not a popular thing to do on these forums....lol_)

That's a great idea! Scott Settlemire/Al Oppenheiser/Mark Stielow message me and let's set up a "secret" track event. Bring a couple Z/28 mules. We'll invite a handful of the serious posters from this forum. I'll arrange for us to rent the local track for the day and we'll do a grassroots, trackrat, marketing piece :-)

PS- Please bring extra Trofeos!

Yeah, facts, whew...the signal to noise ratio is a real challenge on this forum. I have confidence the faithful will continue to rise up as needed and add quality. There is no shame in seeking a higher standard of participation.

[Russo]

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

ABSOLUTELY, Russo, but it DOES give a frame of reference to any more of your posts on this topic...wouldn't you say?

not really, just because something doesn't win me over doesn't mean i can't respect it... i don't care for cigarette boats with huge engines, but i can respect the technology and fun factor that goes into them.. especially the electric boat AMG just developed

Originally Posted by OldScoolCamaro

...uhhhhhh,.....being a Ford Ecoboost F150 owner.....I would say..........yes......

so you're going to fault me for owning the best full size pickup truck currently in production?

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

Well if you were referring to my kids, I don't have any.

i don't have kids either, but you can be sure, if they are ugly, i won't be in denial about it..

Originally Posted by Zfatuated

Yeah, and then he talks about a Mercedes Black as a "track car for the street". Lol...a Black is a fine GT street car, but not something that will hold up for HPDE. Speaking from experience not speculation.

In regards to $100k for a new Z/28, there is not a snowballs chance that will happen. Definitely a "my dealer is ordering my car in two weeks!" type story :-) But let's play with that thought for a minute? A used .2 GT3 is around $100k, a used .1 GT3RS is $90k'ish. A BOSS 302S, if you can locate one is $80-90k'ish. A GT-R used is $80k, new $95k. There is nothing street legal Ford or Chrysler (Late edit- on second thought - Viper! How I did I overlook that?) makes that is worth comparing. There is nothing else street legal, import or domestic, close or lower in (guesstimated) price that offers the performance and durability to run (DE/HPDE/TT/PDX) lap after lap like the Z/28 will. I'm talking apples to apples, cars as they come off the showroom floor.

The Z/28 will spank the Porsche and 302S on lap times, there is no doubt about that. The 302S suspension and brakes are stone-age. The Porsche per hour running costs are astronomical. GT-R will be close on lap times to a Z/28 but anyone who is not a poseur knows a tracked GT-R goes into limp mode due to overheating after just a handful of laps- then you pull in and let it cool down for an hour.

So, a case could be made, in regards to the overall value proposition, that a Z/28 would be easily worth $100k because its competition (raw performance) is priced at $140k-250k. 991 GT3, McLaren MP4-12C (mushy brakes!), 458. No Lambos- terrible track cars, heavy and the brakes go away.

Figure $150k worth of performance, visceral 427 V8 goodness, minus $50k for dog-house interior (who needs a leather interior for a track car? seriously?), and voila' you have the case for a $100k Z/28.

Only other car close in value is a new Corvette and that is a totally different value proposition. And I would not be surprised at all if the Z/28 turns a faster lap time at a given track than a new 'Vette.

Them's the facts, like them or not. The current 'Vette, and next years Z/28 offer the best out of the box value proposition for trackers of anything else currently available out there right now. If you think $60k is expensive for what the Z/28 will offer, you are living in an alternate reality.

Coming from a guy who runs SCCA Time Trials in his street cars for years and who would never have considered in a million years to buy a Chevy for tracking. Things change.

congrats, you just made the same argument Vette owners do every time they go to a road race event.. that conversation gets old.. as if being a bargin wins races..

i would say, for $60k it would be a fair buy, but $70k+?

[Zfatuated]

Originally Posted by Russo

congrats, you just made the same argument Vette owners do every time they go to a road race event.. that conversation gets old.. as if being a bargin wins races..

i would say, for $60k it would be a fair buy, but $70k+?

Dude- I just made the time and effort to support the case for a $100k Z/28. Previous model 'Vette needed a lot of money invested in aftermarket bits to make it a compelling HPDE car, the new 'Vette looks to be good out of the box.

Russo- so we all are crystal clear on your perspective, what exactly is your personal left seat experience on a track?

[Fraxum]

Off topic, but you Z/28 faithful are so all in on the Z/28 and your dedication over time does not waiver. Respect.

If I formed a team some where for some reason, I hope you all would be on it!

I also hope some of you get a Z/28 and join the Temp Tag Racing Team.

One thing bothers me though, I have been in the software game for many years. One of the guiding principles of successful software is to smartly undersell and over deliver. This could also apply to the car business. Chevy did a good job selling the ZL1 and 1LE. Pretty much nailed both cars before they delivered any. But the Z/28 hype is over the top. I hope the Z/28 can live up to it. I am not sure how much of the hype is directly from Chevy or the Internet fanning the flames.

If there are only 1,500 Z/28s in 2014 I do not think GM will have any trouble moving them in the 60-80K range. But over $80k the car better exceed it's hype. This is a different buyer. Here there are some well heeled out of the box thinkers who could/might be early adopters based purely on the cars performance. But exclusivity and history are not on Chevy's side at this level of the game. Sort of like Hyundai trying to break into the high end luxury market, even with good product. Looking forward to next year.

One other thought, if the Z/28 is indeed $100K how much will the ADM be?

[2cnd chance]

Chevy has ALWAYS been about value. Every release by Chevy lately has been pushing the capabilities, comparisons, etc. to the point where we all think they will be higher priced...then we are given the price and we all go WOW!, what a deal (smart marketing). Look at the C7 everyone was worried it would be $10K higher. The ZL1 was thought to be $10K higher. The 1LE priced higher in line with the Boss. Even the new Impala was thought to be higher than the actual base price. GM plays this game well. I still say $60K for a new Z/28 (not including the dealer rip off).

[Fraxum]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

Chevy has ALWAYS been about value. Every release by Chevy lately has been pushing the capabilities, comparisons, etc. to the point where we all think they will be higher priced...then we are given the price and we all go WOW!, what a deal (smart marketing). Look at the C7 everyone was worried it would be $10K higher. The ZL1 was thought to be $10K higher. The 1LE priced higher in line with the Boss. Even the new Impala was thought to be higher than the actual base price. GM plays this game well. I still say $60K for a new Z/28 (not including the dealer rip off).

Great point. How about this guess: Z/28 $60K + $40K ADM = $100K. There it is.

Also if there are only 1,500 Z/28s for 3,000+ dealers how would they allocate that? First order first served with one allocation each?

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by Fraxum

Off topic, but you Z/28 faithful are so all in on the Z/28 and your dedication over time does not waiver. Respect.

If I formed a team some where for some reason, I hope you all would be on it!

I also hope some of you get a Z/28 and join the Temp Tag Racing Team.

One thing bothers me though, I have been in the software game for many years. One of the guiding principles of successful software is to smartly undersell and over deliver. This could also apply to the car business. Chevy did a good job selling the ZL1 and 1LE. Pretty much nailed both cars before they delivered any. But the Z/28 hype is over the top. I hope the Z/28 can live up to it. I am not sure how much of the hype is directly from Chevy or the Internet fanning the flames.

If there are only 1,500 Z/28s in 2014 I do not think GM will have any trouble moving them in the 60-80K range. But over $80k the car better exceed it's hype. This is a different buyer. Here there are some well heeled out of the box thinkers who could/might be early adopters based purely on the cars performance. But exclusivity and history are not on Chevy's side at this level of the game. Sort of like Hyundai trying to break into the high end luxury market, even with good product. Looking forward to next year.

One other thought, if the Z/28 is indeed $100K how much will the ADM be?

GM oversold the ZL1 before it was released. They said it would beat any GT500 yet it handily got its ass kicked by the next GT500 in the 1/4 mile. I think GM learned its lesson from that and hopefully isn't over hyping the Z/28.