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orthojoe · 08-17-2013, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Mgizzle

Guys, chevy does not have CCB brakes, they have CCM brakes. Different material composition. Porsche has CCB and the rotors are a lot more expensive because the rotor is covered by ceramic material again.. CCM is not. The enzo ferrari had CCM. CCB supposedly handles higher temps due to ceramic coating and doesnt burn off epoxy as fast as CCM.

Anyhow, Just to clear it up a bit.

http://www.carbonceramicbrakes.com/e...echnology.aspx

See how CCB doesnt show the carbon fibers like the CCM on Z/28?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/2073324...0448/lightbox/

http://www.autoguide.com/gallery/gal...rakes.JPG.html

Thanks for the info. I never knew there was a difference. So that would explain why the Chevy CCM rotors are cheaper than Porsche CCB. Given that the Porsche CCBs don't hold up well with track use though, that makes me wonder how long CCM rotors will last

2cnd chance · 08-17-2013, 07:48 PM

Very interesting, which is better? As I see both are in use by very very high-end users.

backtotintops · 08-20-2013, 11:28 PM

talked to a pordchee gt2 owner yesterday at the glen. He told me 8k per axle!!! He immediately took them off and has been happily using the steel brembo replacements for years in de events. Seems like a good plan unless you are endurance racing and yes I'm aware of the unsprung weight.

TBone · 08-21-2013, 12:37 AM

I spoke to Al O and Mark Steilow at C5fest about this very issue.

Mark said that to get Steel/Iron replacements we will have to look at the aftermarket as GM will not be offering any.

I asked Al the same thing and his response was similar but then he asked me why I would want to replace them and I mentioned cost. He stated that they are using the same rotors on the Z06 cars at the schools for the last three years and still have not replaced them. Those cars are on the track everyday, day in day out. Now if we are going to use the car that hard we should be in good shape.

Now forgive me, this was three'ish weeks ago so one or the other said this about the brakes, I can not remember which, but it was said. Now I do not know how often you guys track but I am lucky to get 3-5 time a year. So if they last that long we should be good.

T.

orthojoe · 08-21-2013, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TBone

He stated that they are using the same rotors on the Z06 cars at the schools for the last three years and still have not replaced them. Those cars are on the track everyday, day in day out. Now if we are going to use the car that hard we should be in good shape.

That's funny. This was the EXACT same response (word for word minus z06) that the instructors at a Porsche sport driving school told my friend about their CCB rotors. He believed them, ordered PCCBs for his car, and then experienced significant wear after only 3 track days. Fast forward to 3 years later and he gets a letter from Porsche telling him that track use will accelerate wear on his CCBs.

Either these guys have no clue, are lying, or the students at these schools never actually brake hard.

jessrayo · 08-25-2013, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by orthojoe

I guess since camaros aren't driven at road courses as much as drag strips, it can be hard to believe that there are actually people out there who do road courses.

I just bought my ZL1 at the end of June and immediately started setting it up for road racing on weekends. Previous to this I had about 40 hours of track time with a CTS-V and braking was always a problem in the Caddy. The Camaro 2 piece stock brembos are the same rotors I ended up running in the CTS-V. The Camaro ZL1 has a factory brake duct system. I have about 5 hours of road racing on the ZL1 and have been experiencing engine intake heat issues but have had zero problems with the brakes.... No fade, no standing on the pedal and not stopping, no rotor cracking no problems at all.... And with the weight and horsepower I'm running that is very impressive. If you look in my sig you can see I'm running track tires also. The ZL1 just needs Motul 660 and racing pads and it is good to go.

orthojoe · 08-28-2013, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jessrayo

I just bought my ZL1 at the end of June and immediately started setting it up for road racing on weekends. Previous to this I had about 40 hours of track time with a CTS-V and braking was always a problem in the Caddy. The Camaro 2 piece stock brembos are the same rotors I ended up running in the CTS-V. The Camaro ZL1 has a factory brake duct system. I have about 5 hours of road racing on the ZL1 and have been experiencing engine intake heat issues but have had zero problems with the brakes.... No fade, no standing on the pedal and not stopping, no rotor cracking no problems at all.... And with the weight and horsepower I'm running that is very impressive. If you look in my sig you can see I'm running track tires also. The ZL1 just needs Motul 660 and racing pads and it is good to go.

That is great to know. Thanks for the data point!

08-17-2013, 07:48 PM	#44
2cnd chance Too Many Great Choices Drives: Grand Sport/Z07 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: A Mountain Road Posts: 7,454	Very interesting, which is better? As I see both are in use by very very high-end users. __________________

08-21-2013, 12:37 AM	#46
TBone Negative Camber Junkie Drives: 2010 1SS LS3/6MN ABM 1 of 23 Join Date: May 2009 Location: ChiTown, IL Posts: 1,824	I spoke to Al O and Mark Steilow at C5fest about this very issue. Mark said that to get Steel/Iron replacements we will have to look at the aftermarket as GM will not be offering any. I asked Al the same thing and his response was similar but then he asked me why I would want to replace them and I mentioned cost. He stated that they are using the same rotors on the Z06 cars at the schools for the last three years and still have not replaced them. Those cars are on the track everyday, day in day out. Now if we are going to use the car that hard we should be in good shape. Now forgive me, this was three'ish weeks ago so one or the other said this about the brakes, I can not remember which, but it was said. Now I do not know how often you guys track but I am lucky to get 3-5 time a year. So if they last that long we should be good. T. __________________ "Horsepower is something that looks great in a Magazine article, but suspension is what actually gets you around the track fast.." Jack Olsen The drag strip is like sniffing glue, it's cheap, it's a decent buzz, it doesn't last long and they are all the same. Road racing is like China White Heroin, the buzz is stronger, the high lasts for hours, it's extremely addictive and they are all different. I can't wait for my next Track fix. DA HAWKS OWN DA CUP!!!!!

08-20-2013, 11:28 PM	#45
backtotintops Drives: 14 Z/28 0# Join Date: May 2013 Location: NY Posts: 773	talked to a pordchee gt2 owner yesterday at the glen. He told me 8k per axle!!! He immediately took them off and has been happily using the steel brembo replacements for years in de events. Seems like a good plan unless you are endurance racing and yes I'm aware of the unsprung weight.