Why no climate control?

[JR 1]

Originally Posted by KJS

I wish it had a remote to open the door when I approach it...and a umbrella that came out to my front dooor when it rains and snows...and it would automatically go to the store when we need bread, milk and beer. ALSO that it would fill itself up at the gas station or better yet stop at the gas station wihen it gets the milk, bread and beer...and that it had an ATM in the dash that wasn't linked to my bank account...Why can't GM ever get these things in the best selling car in its class...and charge less...and NEVER have one thing EVER go wrong...GEEEZE after all the bail out money that they took from my taxes!!!!

Beer me Camaro! Then take my wife shopping while I watch some TV.

[justa25thTA]

Originally Posted by RJT Impala

Chevy seems to be stuck in the mode of"...those things are for up-scale, high end of car lines--like Buick and Cadillac." The only model in the Impala that get's climate control, temp selection capability (even though dual zone is available in lower models) is the top end LTZ. Crazy--considering my base level 2007 Pontiac Gran Prix had dual zone climate control as standard equip.

My base model 2004 GMC Sierra Crew Cab has it.

[TheAviator]

I'm fine with the basic set of features, the main thing I really love is the back camera. Other than that, I'm fine with the old school AC unit. The radio system isn't super old school, at least it has satellite radio. I would rather have that and the lower costs over some fancy smancy AC unit and other crap that you wouldn't hardly use and jack a $30K car up to $45K, but just my opinion.

[Frank in MD]

Here's your answer. LS3 power, keyless start ( I don't know if that means push button or not), head up, dual zone climate, navigation all standard, full size spare and suroof optional, all the candy. Sell your Camaros and buy this instead.



but.... no manual trans option.

[fbodfather]

Originally Posted by Macina

And its not like they've tried to save some weight on these car either..

I'm hoping you are joking - -because anyone who thinks that we don't do EVERYTHING (within cost reasons) to reduce weight isn't thinking the issue thru. We as all auto manufacturers must hit CAFE numbers. One of the main enemies of fuel economy is weight.

You want comfortable seats for long rides? You want solid steel body panels that don't 'oil can'? You want a 5 star crash rating all around? You want an independent rear suspension? (....I can go on with this list for hours...)

As you think about all of this - -keep a couple of things in mind:

1. - the team drives Camaros -- 2. We all didn't fall off the turnip truck last evening........ 3. we have some pretty smart people working on this car (me excepted!) and they sweat blood over every decision.

Frankly, I shake my head at times when people think we haven't a clue......

Now - on to the Automatic Temp control.

One of the reasons we created the Camaro Enthusiast Advisory Board (The Camaro Disciples) is to discuss issues just like this.

Now - reading thru this thread (and I quit before I got to the end ...) you'll see that you can't get everyone to agree 100 percent on anything........

Yes - some want Auto Temp control (...me included..) but price is also an issue.

We can give you anything you want - BUT -- at what price?

Making things even more complex: Some say "I want heated seats" - and others say "forget heated seats! I want hideaway headlights!" - while still others say "I don't want either of those - I want crank windows...."

See where I"m going with this?

We can't offer a gazillion build combinations - I don't care WHAT we did in 1968 - believe me - I can bury you in facts.........there's a reason why NO manufacturer builds tons of build combinations - one of the biggest reasons is quality - another is COST - we try to make these magnificent machines as affordable as possible....yes, including the Mighty ZL1..........

Frankly, we weren't sure that heated seats would be well-received - but the disciples for the most part -- felt that they were. (I want to say that 70 percent said 'yes' -- ) ......turns out that they were correct........

As we look at future generations, these issues (such as automatic climate control) come back into the conversation...........

[Frank in MD]

ah, it does have push button start. at least the interior shot has it....

[TheAviator]

Originally Posted by fbodfather

I'm hoping you are joking - -because anyone who thinks that we don't do EVERYTHING (within cost reasons) to reduce weight isn't thinking the issue thru. We as all auto manufacturers must hit CAFE numbers. One of the main enemies of fuel economy is weight.

You want comfortable seats for long rides? You want solid steel body panels that don't 'oil can'? You want a 5 star crash rating all around? You want an independent rear suspension? (....I can go on with this list for hours...)

As you think about all of this - -keep a couple of things in mind:

1. - the team drives Camaros -- 2. We all didn't fall off the turnip truck last evening........ 3. we have some pretty smart people working on this car (me excepted!) and they sweat blood over every decision.

Frankly, I shake my head at times when people think we haven't a clue......

Now - on to the Automatic Temp control.

One of the reasons we created the Camaro Enthusiast Advisory Board (The Camaro Disciples) is to discuss issues just like this.

Now - reading thru this thread (and I quit before I got to the end ...) you'll see that you can't get everyone to agree 100 percent on anything........

Yes - some want Auto Temp control (...me included..) but price is also an issue.

We can give you anything you want - BUT -- at what price?

Making things even more complex: Some say "I want heated seats" - and others say "forget heated seats! I want hideaway headlights!" - while still others say "I don't want either of those - I want crank windows...."

See where I"m going with this?

We can't offer a gazillion build combinations - I don't care WHAT we did in 1968 - believe me - I can bury you in facts.........there's a reason why NO manufacturer builds tons of build combinations - one of the biggest reasons is quality - another is COST - we try to make these magnificent machines as affordable as possible....yes, including the Mighty ZL1..........

Frankly, we weren't sure that heated seats would be well-received - but the disciples for the most part -- felt that they were. (I want to say that 70 percent said 'yes' -- ) ......turns out that they were correct........

As we look at future generations, these issues (such as automatic climate control) come back into the conversation...........

As I said earlier, I don't mind the basic features. However, it would be nice to make a real upgraded version for an upper scale package. Just to use this as an example, an RS package, not just the wheels and fancy lights, but it would be cool if the RS came with some of the features offered in the cadillacs, like maybe just nicer interior features etc., I would probably pay that extra to get the nicer interior. I would rather have a nicer interior package than the upgraded racing features on the engine and chassis etc. But I am different than probably the vast majority on this board.

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by TheAviator

As I said earlier, I don't mind the basic features. However, it would be nice to make a real upgraded version for an upper scale package. Just to use this as an example, an RS package, not just the wheels and fancy lights, but it would be cool if the RS came with some of the features offered in the cadillacs, like maybe just nicer interior features etc., I would probably pay that extra to get the nicer interior. I would rather have a nicer interior package than the upgraded racing features on the engine and chassis etc. But I am different than probably the vast majority on this board.

Isn't that what the LTZ versions of other Chevys are for? The luxury appointments?

[Macina]

Originally Posted by fbodfather

I'm hoping you are joking - -because anyone who thinks that we don't do EVERYTHING (within cost reasons) to reduce weight isn't thinking the issue thru. We as all auto manufacturers must hit CAFE numbers. One of the main enemies of fuel economy is weight.

You want comfortable seats for long rides? You want solid steel body panels that don't 'oil can'? You want a 5 star crash rating all around? You want an independent rear suspension? (....I can go on with this list for hours...)

As you think about all of this - -keep a couple of things in mind:

1. - the team drives Camaros -- 2. We all didn't fall off the turnip truck last evening........ 3. we have some pretty smart people working on this car (me excepted!) and they sweat blood over every decision.

Frankly, I shake my head at times when people think we haven't a clue......

Now - on to the Automatic Temp control.

One of the reasons we created the Camaro Enthusiast Advisory Board (The Camaro Disciples) is to discuss issues just like this.

Now - reading thru this thread (and I quit before I got to the end ...) you'll see that you can't get everyone to agree 100 percent on anything........

Yes - some want Auto Temp control (...me included..) but price is also an issue.

We can give you anything you want - BUT -- at what price?

Making things even more complex: Some say "I want heated seats" - and others say "forget heated seats! I want hideaway headlights!" - while still others say "I don't want either of those - I want crank windows...."

See where I"m going with this?

We can't offer a gazillion build combinations - I don't care WHAT we did in 1968 - believe me - I can bury you in facts.........there's a reason why NO manufacturer builds tons of build combinations - one of the biggest reasons is quality - another is COST - we try to make these magnificent machines as affordable as possible....yes, including the Mighty ZL1..........

Frankly, we weren't sure that heated seats would be well-received - but the disciples for the most part -- felt that they were. (I want to say that 70 percent said 'yes' -- ) ......turns out that they were correct........

As we look at future generations, these issues (such as automatic climate control) come back into the conversation...........

Thank you, finally an answer to my question..
I did not know anything about the "camaro disciples" that sounds like a really nice touch in car manufacturing! Me myself work at Volvo here in Sweden so I do know a bit about car manufacturing. But I must confess that I haven't thought so much about the whole development part, especially when we talk about a car like the camaro with such a heritage in the trunk.

With all that said, my opinion about with the cc still stands, the thing is, for me, electric adjustable seats, backup camera, ba stereo with sub and so on are all luxury items for me. Thats why I got a little bit amazed that it had old style ac.
Now this isn't a deal breaker for me, not at all. Keep in mind that I have ordered this car unseen, un driven with a waiting time exceeding a half year. And as I said, blaiming my government or not, paid 65000 usd for it.


So cc or no cc im going to drive the sh.t out of my camaro and have a big permagrin on all the time when it finally arrives!!

[Glen e]

The simple fact is all of these "do dads" that you want - start stop, climate control etc require open heart surgery to do. They need to be in from a ground up build, not a change you can make year to year. The recent facelift was very minor and in no way cracked the dash for stuff you guys want. It takes a new generation of car and you will get it all in the next camaro as it will be cost effective as it's designed in the car. The new vette dash will be the base for the new features....

Look at the Impala SS above - the stuff was designed into the car. It's that simple. Scott can't say it, but all the stuff you guys want will be in the C6...

[flyinlow]

Thanks Scott for your excellent info, you said it better than I ever could have even tried. I work for a large company as a technology director and when people ask me to implement a solution, I tell them I can do anything for them, its how much do they want to spend and how long would they like it to take. They generally get the point.

[Eich]

It should be an OPTION that people can pay for if they want. Some of the cheapest cars on the market have this as an option.

Honestly, every single feature on a car could be argued with, "hey, some people want it, some don't, so we can't please everyone". But certain features become commonplace. Auto climate control is one of them. It's funny that people say that a muscle car shouldn't have this or that but we have AC, power windows, power mirrors, auto dim mirrors, onstar, dual power seats, heated seats, HUD, MYLink with satellite and NAV, remote start, ambient lighting, etc.. How does auto climate control not fit in with any of that?

How many other muscle cars on the market don't offer it? How many other cars period don't offer it?

You want bare bones muscle, go Z28. Or offer a low tech package for other trims. Auto climate control should be in an option package in 2013. I'd pay a premium for a tech package that had it. I honestly hate constantly adjusting the temperature and fan speed as the interior cools or heats.

[Eich]

Originally Posted by TheAviator

As I said earlier, I don't mind the basic features. However, it would be nice to make a real upgraded version for an upper scale package. Just to use this as an example, an RS package, not just the wheels and fancy lights, but it would be cool if the RS came with some of the features offered in the cadillacs, like maybe just nicer interior features etc., I would probably pay that extra to get the nicer interior. I would rather have a nicer interior package than the upgraded racing features on the engine and chassis etc. But I am different than probably the vast majority on this board.

I completely agree with you. I posted some time ago that I'd love to see a Berlinetta package with an upscale interior. I'd much rather pay a premium for that than I would pay for some of the pricey race-inspired packages that I'll just never get to use.

Some time ago, they teased of an Executive Express package. That had me written all over it. But maybe there's not enough me's in the market? With packages like these, I could see guys who go for Audi A5's and BMW 3 series giving the Camaro a look.

[DuskSS]

Originally Posted by rickr9504

Are you saying the camaro is cheap? sorry but my camaro did not come cheap, it went a little above $40K. That is not cheap, for that price some things are standard now days.

I have to say I did not pay attention to that when I bought mine. I was more worried on how I was going to pay for it and for gas. I don't regret my purchase one bit.

Agreed my dusk was 45k for that I expect more in the comfort department for sure. Coming out of a g37 coupe that had auto climate I hate the camaro I left the Infiniti set on 70 degrees year round and it heated and cooled as necessary and blew 6x as cold as this does even on max. And btw the 13 streams music just fine wirelessly. Still say the ac and stereo are trash in this car though especially for 45-50k range. Should have waited for the c7

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