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69 Rebel · 04-05-2011, 09:46 PM

I decided to pull the trigger and do the 416 stroker after reading a few threads from CC Performance, i already have a maggie so i am looking for 700+hp.

Wish i could have given you my business CC Performance but the shipping from Canada would have killed me.

CC Performance · 04-05-2011, 10:58 PM

Well its not that bad.. last one we shipped up there was $420

CC Performance · 07-26-2011, 08:45 AM

ttt

Unobtainium · 07-26-2011, 11:08 AM

The stroker is the best way to go. No doubt. Saving right now for it.
Heads,cam, intake for me, then order short block. I'll be stuck n/a since my 79 Z had a 427 in it by the time I was done. This will have to be a 427 build, and building one for boost is out of my range.
CC Performance says it like it is and is great at explaining options.

SilverSS3108 · 07-26-2011, 01:59 PM

416 no contest.... Theres only so far you can go on the stock motor.... Then your back to square 1... I'd start from the weak link and build up... Even if I get tired of that 416 in 3 or 4 years I can always add more to it by boosting it and I can put more boost to it.

cwo.kessler · 07-26-2011, 02:08 PM

416 hands down. The high risk of doing harm to a stock engine with a blower and has not had the internals upgraded is too much of a gamble for me.

HufferSS · 07-26-2011, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by CC Performance

Well it all depends on what "etras" are involved but the general prices are :
$1450 for the block, $1850 for ported and polished Ls3 heads.. Then you have stuff like timing set - $100 for a double roller, oil pump..Melling Hv $165, pushrods ar $108 and a cam at $425, if you want engine covers and all that.. oil pan.. it starts climbing.

What are the advantages of your setup compared to buying an LSX long block for $5500? The LSX setup seems like a pretty tough deal to beat.

CC Performance · 07-27-2011, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by HufferSS

What are the advantages of your setup compared to buying an LSX long block for $5500? The LSX setup seems like a pretty tough deal to beat.

The LSX crate engine is no different really than the engine already in the car already.. Its a mass production motor, it is not built with the same internals we use or the same precision. Its also an iron block and will be heavier on the nose of the car and effect performance. We will make more power, better throttle response than a crate engine any day of the week. Precision built race engine vs off the shelf mass produced. We use better parts and better building technique to be honest... than a gm crate engine.

Sour DeeZ · 07-27-2011, 11:28 AM

416 definitely IMO

JHL88 · 07-27-2011, 12:47 PM

416

REAPER SS · 07-27-2011, 03:21 PM

I say blower. Personally because I have always wanted a top mount blower like the old school cars. To me, its just the epitomy of having a bad ass muscle car. Thats why I will put the blower on and wont push the limit so that i can make the motor last as long as possible(or at least till I pay it off)

After that I will go with a full built motor to handle whatever boost I throw at it.

calbert1999 · 07-27-2011, 03:27 PM

I went with boost first, and realized with no forged internals no point in paying huge dollars and not being able to use SC to capacity.
I'm going with the 427ci. LSX iron block (not the crate engine) bored to precision w/ all forged internals at a 9.1:1 compression and a D-1SC ProCharger. Perfect balance of strength, displacement, and boost. The iron block is only 60lbs. heavier which can be compensated with the good suspension parts I already have.
To me that's good logical trade off between weight, strength, performance and safety.

lsuguy · 07-27-2011, 03:55 PM

When I do decide to get this involved with power modifications I am definitely going with a 416. If I decide to boost later I know it will be able to handle what I throw at it.

MikeLA2011ss · 10-14-2013, 12:16 AM

Its really your decision... If you want n/a hp, bore it out to a 427, do heads/cam, do a 373 rear end and boltons.. Will put you around 600rwhp and be very fast, it would beat an eforce at the same hp for sure + naturally aspirated hp is extremely safe and a would be better for resale... If you go with stock block and s/c there's much more of a risk of engine damage. Also take into account the wear and tear, the s/c maintenance, high IAT's of a top mount set up..refill on meth if you go that route...honestly IMO I'd do a forged 416 with a centrifugal s/c... OR if your dead set on just a s/c a centrifugal s/c is the way to go, the power is there when you want it but your not always in boost, you could daily drive it, it's very reliable, it looks very nice on the engine bay, sounds incredible and pulls VERY hard. Without meth the 600rwhp or less would be very safe. A company that is local to me that builds ALOT of cars from around the country is Lethal Racing,( lafayette, la) they have done everything to my car from gauges, engine work, suspension and everything in between. Great customer service and extremely smart guys. I wouldn't go anywhere else.

04-05-2011, 09:46 PM	#85
69 Rebel Drives: 2010 IBM 2SS/RS Auto Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Laval, Canada Posts: 1,542	I decided to pull the trigger and do the 416 stroker after reading a few threads from CC Performance, i already have a maggie so i am looking for 700+hp. Wish i could have given you my business CC Performance but the shipping from Canada would have killed me. Attached Images __________________ Version I Jannetty Racing 550 RWHP Street Brawler Package, Powered by TVS2300 Maggie http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100385 Version II 416ci stroker/4L80e 701rwhp 750rwtq build and tuned by SPI-Performance

07-26-2011, 11:08 AM	#88
Unobtainium Fabricator Drives: 2011 2SS Summit White Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Langdon, AB Posts: 505	The stroker is the best way to go. No doubt. Saving right now for it. Heads,cam, intake for me, then order short block. I'll be stuck n/a since my 79 Z had a 427 in it by the time I was done. This will have to be a 427 build, and building one for boost is out of my range. CC Performance says it like it is and is great at explaining options. __________________ Roto-fab CAI Unobtainium Welding Exhaust ARH LT's 393whp L99 GPI VVT Turbo Cam-in

07-26-2011, 01:59 PM	#89
SilverSS3108 Drives: 2010 silver SS Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Midland TX Posts: 1,063	416 no contest.... Theres only so far you can go on the stock motor.... Then your back to square 1... I'd start from the weak link and build up... Even if I get tired of that 416 in 3 or 4 years I can always add more to it by boosting it and I can put more boost to it. __________________ 2012 Corvette Grandsport... TSP headers, Borla S-Type, BTR Stage 3 N/A cam, Halltech Super Bee MF108

07-26-2011, 02:08 PM	#90
cwo.kessler Drives: 2011 Camaro 2SS/RS M6 Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 21	416 hands down. The high risk of doing harm to a stock engine with a blower and has not had the internals upgraded is too much of a gamble for me. __________________ Bone Stock 2011 2SS/RS M6

07-27-2011, 11:28 AM	#93
Sour DeeZ Drives: 2011 IOM 2SS RS M6 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: SoCal Posts: 692	416 definitely IMO __________________ 2011 SS/RS IOM M6 --- Kooks 1 7/8" Long Tube Headers Coated, Kooks 3" HFC, Kooks X-pipe, Kooks 3" Cat-back, Cold Air Inductions CAI, Custom Quad Exhaust & Diffuser, Custom Tuned at Jannetty Racing. (2) 10" JL Audio w6's. Rockford Fosgate Power T500-1. Cache COE6.

04-05-2011, 10:58 PM	#86
CC Performance Account Suspended Drives: 99 Camaro SS, 79 z28, 70 GTX Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: ST Helens, OR Posts: 1,759	Well its not that bad.. last one we shipped up there was $420

07-26-2011, 08:45 AM	#87
CC Performance Account Suspended Drives: 99 Camaro SS, 79 z28, 70 GTX Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: ST Helens, OR Posts: 1,759	ttt

07-27-2011, 12:47 PM	#94
JHL88 Drives: 02 z06 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Virginia/south carolina Posts: 416	416 __________________ 1997 RS wrecked 1998 Z28 sold 10 SS sold 2002 torch redc5z06 - sold :( '13 z71 4x4 - DD www.fquick.com/JHL88

07-27-2011, 03:21 PM	#95
REAPER SS Drives: 2010 CAMARO BLK 2SS/L99 Join Date: May 2009 Location: Birmingham,Al Posts: 453	I say blower. Personally because I have always wanted a top mount blower like the old school cars. To me, its just the epitomy of having a bad ass muscle car. Thats why I will put the blower on and wont push the limit so that i can make the motor last as long as possible(or at least till I pay it off) After that I will go with a full built motor to handle whatever boost I throw at it.

07-27-2011, 03:27 PM	#96
calbert1999 Camaro SS Lover Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS Black IOM Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Toronto, Ontario (Canada) Posts: 2,862	I went with boost first, and realized with no forged internals no point in paying huge dollars and not being able to use SC to capacity. I'm going with the 427ci. LSX iron block (not the crate engine) bored to precision w/ all forged internals at a 9.1:1 compression and a D-1SC ProCharger. Perfect balance of strength, displacement, and boost. The iron block is only 60lbs. heavier which can be compensated with the good suspension parts I already have. To me that's good logical trade off between weight, strength, performance and safety.

07-27-2011, 03:55 PM	#97
lsuguy Drives: 2011 2SS/RS Join Date: May 2011 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 362 View My Garage	When I do decide to get this involved with power modifications I am definitely going with a 416. If I decide to boost later I know it will be able to handle what I throw at it.

10-14-2013, 12:16 AM	#98
MikeLA2011ss Drives: 2011 TT 416ci Camaro Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Lafayette la Posts: 130 View My Garage	Its really your decision... If you want n/a hp, bore it out to a 427, do heads/cam, do a 373 rear end and boltons.. Will put you around 600rwhp and be very fast, it would beat an eforce at the same hp for sure + naturally aspirated hp is extremely safe and a would be better for resale... If you go with stock block and s/c there's much more of a risk of engine damage. Also take into account the wear and tear, the s/c maintenance, high IAT's of a top mount set up..refill on meth if you go that route...honestly IMO I'd do a forged 416 with a centrifugal s/c... OR if your dead set on just a s/c a centrifugal s/c is the way to go, the power is there when you want it but your not always in boost, you could daily drive it, it's very reliable, it looks very nice on the engine bay, sounds incredible and pulls VERY hard. Without meth the 600rwhp or less would be very safe. A company that is local to me that builds ALOT of cars from around the country is Lethal Racing,( lafayette, la) they have done everything to my car from gauges, engine work, suspension and everything in between. Great customer service and extremely smart guys. I wouldn't go anywhere else.