Squeaky Brakes Driving me Insane!!!! Dealer Says...

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by SLEEPER SS

I hope that's the case. Have some brand new hawk HPS pads ima install now with my new rotors hope they don't squeal

In my experience with three different cars, Hawk's HPS have proven to be relatively low-dust and generally quiet. The only noise I've heard has come from bits of grit that managed to get trapped between a pad and the rotor. A couple of hard stops normally fixes this.

Originally Posted by SPCBA

Really blow their minds and tell them how a significant portion of the dust is the rotor

No lie. As anybody who might be running HP+ pads on the street would soon discover (along with stronger initial bite than you'd ever think could result from only a pad change).

Originally Posted by Sales@JDP

Stock pads are great all around pads, but they are a bit too dusty and noisy for many Camaro owners. I think Pete sometimes overlooks the fact that some SS's will never see the track or conditions where that kind of braking is needed. Ceramic pads are good for street use or a show car, but I still prefer the HPS pads for street/somewhat aggressive driving.

If it could be guaranteed that a driver will never need all of the braking performance he can scare up from the way his/her car is equipped I *might* be able to let that go. However, I've found out over the last 50 years of my own driving and somewhere between 5 and 10 more riding with my Dad that about once per set of tires you'll be glad you put performance absolutely ahead of subjective considerations such as dust, noise, or tire treadwear rates. Either that or you'll find it too late to be wishing you had.

I wouldn't put ceramics on anything but a show car that would be rarely driven otherwise.

The HPS level is kind of a minimum for street or dual purpose street/occasional autocross (and I would guess street/strip to be an HPS situation as well), but that's about the limit for those pads. Street = reasonably sane street driving here . . .


Norm

[sonnydurden]

Originally Posted by So Cal Camaro

Pete, stopping is highly overrated....I want quiet....LOL

Contact Tyler at JDP Motorsports and get some Hawk Ceramic brake pads...they will work just like the 350Z when you get them really hot, but they are definitely quieter...

Thanks man Will do!!!

[sonnydurden]

Originally Posted by JusticePete

But the brakes were low noise and low dust

Whoa...yeah I would rather stay loud and safe...

[sonnydurden]

Originally Posted by Sales@JDP

$180 a piece for resurfacing?? WOW! You can get new rotors for less than that and would likely be a better option.

Thanks for the recommendation!
Stock pads are great all around pads, but they are a bit too dusty and noisy for many Camaro owners. I think Pete sometimes overlooks the fact that some SS's will never see the track or conditions where that kind of braking is needed. Ceramic pads are good for street use or a show car, but I still prefer the HPS pads for street/somewhat aggressive driving.

Feel free to shoot me a PM or give me a call and we'll get ya setup.

Best regards,

Tyler
888-308-6007

Yep Tyler is cool...He sold me my Magnaflow exhaust and PFadt springs...I guess I will be on their website for brake pads!!!

[WEN_D's SS]

JusticePete, if the squealing bothers me, then it IS an issue. I am going to show KMCD's posts to my service guy at my dealership and see if he will consider his suggestions.

[JusticePete]

Originally Posted by WEN_D's SS

JusticePete, if the squealing bothers me, then it IS an issue. I am going to show KMCD's posts to my service guy at my dealership and see if he will consider his suggestions.

Disclaimer: I do NOT sell brakes. I only post in threads like this to provide accurate information and to dispel myths and disinformation.

You identified two issues in your original post within this thread. I replied to one.

1. The brakes make noise. The brakes are doing exactly what they should be doing. Nothing is wrong with them. There is no issue with the brakes.

2. You don't like brake noise and find it embarrassing on an expensive car. That is your perception. It impacts your level of satisfaction with your Vert which should be a concern to Chevrolet and your Dealer. Hopefully, your Dealer and Chevrolet can find a way to satisfy you.

GM vehicles frequently are critiqued for brake noise, because GM puts so much focus on brake function. Here is a prime example of the difference between how GM views brakes and Ford.

But wait, there's a catch. You see, Randy had another observation about the Shelby. "The brakes just don't generate confidence. They're not enough to stop this car on a racetrack. On the street, they're probably fine. But the Camaro brakes do stop the car." While the Mustang was a half-second faster around the track than the ZL1 on its best lap, it couldn't repeat the performance. By the end of the first lap, the brakes had already begun to heat up so badly, we could smell them from the pits as the car passed by on the front straight.

Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...#ixzz2hLwlE75L

We know Nissan thinks the same way as Ford, even on their NISMO performance vehicles. Customers want low noise and low dust so they give it to them. I completely disagree with that approach. The companies building performance vehicles need to educate their sales staff, service departments and customers so they understand why their performance car brakes make noise and other vehicles do not. Education up front is better than a goodwill gesture with a dissatisfied owner.

[So Cal Camaro]

Originally Posted by sonnydurden

Yep Tyler is cool...He sold me my Magnaflow exhaust and PFadt springs...I guess I will be on their website for brake pads!!!

I bought my CTSV Brake Upgrade from JDP among other things...and Jordan races his Camaro, so you are buying from someone that actually tries out products they sell....

[Chevrolet Customer Svc]

Hey WEN_D's SS!

Please keep us posted on what the dealership has to say. We are always happy to help if further assistance is needed.

Jessica
Chevrolet Customer Care

Originally Posted by WEN_D's SS

JusticePete, if the squealing bothers me, then it IS an issue. I am going to show KMCD's posts to my service guy at my dealership and see if he will consider his suggestions.

[sonnydurden]

Originally Posted by Chevrolet Customer Svc

Hi sonnydurden,

If you would like us to research further, we would be happy to locate a different dealership for a second opinion. You may send us a private message at any time with your contact information and VIN!

Jessica
Chevrolet Customer Care

Thanks Jessica!!! I will try changing out the pads. From what I gather from the dealer and some of the vets on this site, the squeal is just the nature of the beast. My car stops fine and I feel safe...Will keep you all updated!!!

[sonnydurden]

Originally Posted by So Cal Camaro

I bought my CTSV Brake Upgrade from JDP among other things...and Jordan races his Camaro, so you are buying from someone that actually tries out products they sell....

Thanks man..Thats good to hear!!!

[E.T.]

Originally Posted by JusticePete

Disclaimer: I do NOT sell brakes. I only post in threads like this to provide accurate information and to dispel myths and disinformation.

You identified two issues in your original post within this thread. I replied to one.

1. The brakes make noise. The brakes are doing exactly what they should be doing. Nothing is wrong with them. There is no issue with the brakes.

2. You don't like brake noise and find it embarrassing on an expensive car. That is your perception. It impacts your level of satisfaction with your Vert which should be a concern to Chevrolet and your Dealer. Hopefully, your Dealer and Chevrolet can find a way to satisfy you.

GM vehicles frequently are critiqued for brake noise, because GM puts so much focus on brake function. Here is a prime example of the difference between how GM views brakes and Ford.

But wait, there's a catch. You see, Randy had another observation about the Shelby. "The brakes just don't generate confidence. They're not enough to stop this car on a racetrack. On the street, they're probably fine. But the Camaro brakes do stop the car." While the Mustang was a half-second faster around the track than the ZL1 on its best lap, it couldn't repeat the performance. By the end of the first lap, the brakes had already begun to heat up so badly, we could smell them from the pits as the car passed by on the front straight.

Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...#ixzz2hLwlE75L

We know Nissan thinks the same way as Ford, even on their NISMO performance vehicles. Customers want low noise and low dust so they give it to them. I completely disagree with that approach. The companies building performance vehicles need to educate their sales staff, service departments and customers so they understand why their performance car brakes make noise and other vehicles do not. Education up front is better than a goodwill gesture with a dissatisfied owner.

My brakes squeak occasionally, too. I didn't know all this info, but now that I do, I will be proud to have "the squeaks." I'd much rather have a better performing brake that makes a little noise, than one that's not up for the job.

[gotroost]

Originally Posted by kmcd

JusticePete is correct about performance brakes squealing, but you can mitigate the noise greatly if you'll follow these steps:

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...=189890&page=1

I followed the lubing steps with HPS pads and never had the "dreaded" squeak some people complain about with HPS pads on the street.

Now using HPS pads on a road course... Just don't do it. Trust me. They generate a lot of heat and don't stop well. Ended boiling ATE Super Blue fluid. Never had that issue when running the stockers on the track in HPDE 1/2. Went to Motul SRF fluid and DTC 70 pads in front/DTC 60 pads in the rear for the track and everything was very happy for my first weekend with the HPDE 3 guys.

[Chevrolet Customer Svc]

You're welcome, and yes, please keep us posted!

Jessica
Chevrolet Customer Care

Originally Posted by sonnydurden

Thanks Jessica!!! I will try changing out the pads. From what I gather from the dealer and some of the vets on this site, the squeal is just the nature of the beast. My car stops fine and I feel safe...Will keep you all updated!!!

[ps2ren]

I just had the same problem not too long AFTER I replaced both front and back pads. Obviously the low speed squeak isn't from the pads since the metal pieces are far from the rotors and I went with slightly softer stoptech pads. I went in to get them checked, and turns out rotors are grooved and need to be replaced. The outter edges of the rotors appear to be higher than the middle rings, which I assume is the problem. So they simply put on another set of stock rotors and now they are fixed~

On a side note, mine is actually 2010 SS, it doesn't even have the rollers on the front Brakes. I thought that might be part of the problem, but nope, just needed new rotors.