2013 GT500 laps the ring quicker then ZL1

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Originally Posted by Sven59

You must be happy, a 2009 focus is listed on the ring list but no dead horses!

IIRC the Focus and Ford GT times that are on the ring list were done by 3rd parties

[1QwikZ28]

Originally Posted by brt3

Wow; pretty funny stuff here. The idea of a manufacturer like GM "fudging" Ring times is pretty laughable. This guy goes through the GM film as though it's the Zapruder film, yet all that's AFTER he's guesstimating a lap time from film sourced from where -- online? If you don't have a clock running in the footage to verify the time, it seems that significant time errors might be introduced into a video that's 8 minutes long -- especially if it's distributed online, in a compressed format that's been copied ad infinitum...

Lol, if you think GM does not do everything in their power(nicer way of saying they cheat), then you are just as naive as the SVT clan. That is why we need an independent company to test these cars around the 'Ring and not depend solely on the factory's claims.

[CobraBall]

Originally Posted by newmoon

I'm not picking on the ZL1 given the choice I'd own a ZL1 automatic car, but to make blanket statements that the 500 is not in the same class as the ZL1 is ridiculous.

I'm not trying to incite a flame fest, but it's rather interesting how the goal posts move with these threads.

When everyone thought the ZL1 was the faster car it was:

"The GT500 is a slow pile"

Now, that something that could be contradictory to that appears and it's:

"Oh, well the GT500 has a professional driver and the ZL1 was driven by a n00b"

and

"'ring times don't matter, I'll never drive on the 'ring"

Really? You don't think GM was using a professional driver and sticky tires too?

However, I'm not particularly convinced. I'm curious as to the source of this video, what was done, and who was driving. I'm not saying it's not legit, but I'd like to know more about the video. Is it really from Ford?

Shhhhhhhhh, you are not supposed to mention this in the forum. Is there an issue with all the 500s brakes or just this particular car, I imagine it's very possible it is a design issue, and Ford states to change out the fluid prior to heavy track use. The main point is prior to the brake fade the 500 was indeed faster which most claim in this forum that this is not possible. In the above video I posted I believe both drivers knew their way around the track. The problem was the 500 was clearly faster. Maybe the owner had done the suggested fluid change which corrected the brake fade issues?

Truth.

If you're going to track any car, a fluid swap and pad change is pretty standard across the board. I'm not sure that's a knock against the GT500 when you should be doing that anyway.

[Normagene]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Shhhhhhhhh, you are not supposed to mention this in the forum. Is there an issue with all the 500s brakes or just this particular car, I imagine it's very possible it is a design issue, and Ford states to change out the fluid prior to heavy track use. The main point is prior to the brake fade the 500 was indeed faster which most claim in this forum that this is not possible. In the above video I posted I believe both drivers knew their way around the track. The problem was the 500 was clearly faster. Maybe the owner had done the suggested fluid change which corrected the brake fade issues?

I'm not picking on the ZL1 given the choice I'd own a ZL1 automatic car, but to make blanket statements that the 500 is not in the same class as the ZL1 is ridiculous.

My comments are from Motor Trend. They used the same driver in both cars, both stock with nothing done. Randy Pobst was the driver and they did street and track comparisons. Yes the Shelby is faster on the dragstrip and on a road course, but only for a short amount of time. It is Never consistent as the ZL1 is crazy consistent. But it's still just a matter of preference, some choose the Shelby other the ZL1. What's the big deal?

Personally I'd love to be able to do some of the stuff with this car that its capable of doing. But I usually chicken out! Although I have Mastered the No-Lift-Shifting which is crazy fun fun fun! Just wish I could do the nannies thing and keep it to the floor.

Watch Tanner Faust do some runs with the new Stingray, and the comparison was to determine which one was faster, using the PTM system or turning everything off. Love to have the nerve he has, he was all out and it was very very close. But one one stretch of the nasty Detroit roads it was really really bumpy and the nannies kicked in slowing him down because the road surface didn't allow constant contact. So the nannies went crazy. But it was really close and he is a pro driver. But just once, well I'll start with once, I'd love to be able to keep it floored without panicking.


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[SS 376]

Originally Posted by VRYALT3R3D

The GT500 is faster. deal with it.

note: i dont own a gt500

No worries, I didn't need your opinion. BTW, you're only proving my point...

I wouldn't be surprised if the GT500 was very competitive with the ZL1, particularly on a circuit that catered to its straight line speed advantage. On a course where you can't spend a lot of time at WOT, I still would expect the ZL1 to be quicker. They're both real, real fast cars, just with different strengths.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by gm_joe

In my opinion, any "ring" time comparison, within say, 10 - 15 seconds, makes the cars equal. That time can be made up or lost with a driver change.

Agreed but a driver with intimate and extended time on that track would be very consistent.

If your point is to put me behind the wheel you would lose a minute and a half.......or more lol

[Tob]

Originally Posted by SEVEN-OH JOE

Welcome back, sir. Always good to have an articulate, engineering-centric person on this site, regardless of personal preferences.

1) In that regard, and considering your ability to cut through media-speak and get directly to the salient points, I'd be interested in your assessment of the Z/28. Care to share?

Also, as was mentioned on your favored site sometime back by our mutual friend (the one so concerned currently about the Z/28's non-conformity to sanctioning bodies' rules), wasn't a Blue GT 500 timed by his German-based friends running "mid-7:40s" while Big Red (the winglet-wearing car you displayed here) equipped with a full measure of the FRPP catalog timed running "into the 7:30's"?

2) So, to what standard was Sid's video game star equipped and prepared? Blue-level, or Red-line? Or is that information known, and shareable?

Once again, welcome back, and thank you for your reasoned responses.

Thanks for the kind words Joe.

My assessment of the Z/28? Color me very impressed with what GM was able to do. The engine is a work of art, the brakes are to behold, and the no-frills weight reduction is something I've been begging for for years - in a plain Jane Mustang of course. I considered one but that's as far as I went. I have nothing but good things to say about it.

I'm off to SEMA next week and I'll see what I can dig up about the blue car that was in Sid's video.

Tob

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Originally Posted by Number 3

Agreed but a driver with intimate and extended time on that track would be very consistent.

If your point is to put me behind the wheel you would lose a minute and a half.......or more lol

put me behind the wheel and Id still be driving the track lol

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Originally Posted by Truck Norris

My guess is that they changed the brake fluid to DOT 4 just like the owners manual suggests to do when racing, just like I'm sure they did the 1,500 mile break-in and diff service on the ZL1 as per the owners manual before sending it on the track.

In independent testing DOT 4 fluid has been proven to cure the GT500's brake fade issues.

This^

[crysalis_01]

Originally Posted by Tob

Thanks for the kind words Joe.

My assessment of the Z/28? Color me very impressed with what GM was able to do. The engine is a work of art, the brakes are to behold, and the no-frills weight reduction is something I've been begging for for years - in a plain Jane Mustang of course. I considered one but that's as far as I went. I have nothing but good things to say about it.

I'm off to SEMA next week and I'll see what I can dig up about the blue car that was in Sid's video.

Tob

Coletti did somethings very right. The Cobra R program was one of those things. It's a program Hameedi really needs to look into reviving.

[c_LoW29]

Who cares what manufactures and magazines claim for times when it comes down to it, it is all about the driver is such close times like these. Car X may have more horsepower and better times driven by a professional than car Y but no two drivers are equal what good is any amount of horsepower if the driver doesnt know how to race it.

[2cnd chance]

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay over thinking it...

[Sven59]

Maybe they don't release them because they have never had anything fast enough lol.

[2cnd chance]

Car company's live through marketing. Ford did an hour long infomercial on the Boss as it was being released citing its track prowess. If ANY company has a means to positively market their product they'll do it.

Bottom line that manufactured write up and video is pure Koolaid!