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mailclerk · 11-19-2013, 10:44 PM

Hello to you all,

In a couple weeks I'm planning to take my newly bought Camaro/2013 on a nice trip to Arizona and was wondering if I should change the oil? Currently I only have about 2500K miles on it.

Mail Clerk

Candr3535 · 11-19-2013, 10:57 PM

I changed my oil for the first time at 640 miles. But I'm anal. At 2500 miles and a long trip I would definitely change it. Just my opinion

Green Machine · 11-19-2013, 10:59 PM

I've got 750 miles on mine and it will get an oil change before I drive it in the spring.

Sent from the road.

Mr_Draco · 11-20-2013, 05:47 AM

Imo, you are long past due on an oil change. I did my first oil change at 500 miles and again at 1,500 miles. After that I started doing regular oil changes.

motorhead · 11-20-2013, 06:59 AM

If you want to waste money go ahead. Listen to your DIC it knows more about your car than anyone on here when it comes to oil changes.

mailclerk · 11-20-2013, 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by motorhead

If you want to waste money go ahead. Listen to your DIC it knows more about your car than anyone on here when it comes to oil changes.

motorhead,

Thank you for your reassuring reply. I did the same thing when I bought my 08'/09' Impala SS using the OLM until it told my to change the oil and then went to Mobil 1 synthetic. No issues since then so for my newly bought Camaro/RS I was wondering about the same.

Mail Clerk

ChibiBlackSheep · 11-20-2013, 09:54 AM

I also did the 2 quick changes, one at 800 and one at 3500.

Now I'm using the OLM (unless I get around 20-30% and the weekend is nice)

strych9 · 11-20-2013, 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by motorhead

If you want to waste money go ahead. Listen to your DIC it knows more about your car than anyone on here when it comes to oil changes.

Exactly this. People changing oil according to the way daddy did it are living in the stone age. Modern oil doesn't require early changes, and modern engines create very little contamination and debris during break-in.

Oils of old didn't have the additives that modern oils have. Engines were dirtier. Hell, non-roller cams had to "wear-in", and in doing so, introduced metal into the oil. Times have changed. Save your money for mods. Your oil won't mind.

*The_Blur* · 11-20-2013, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by strych9

Exactly this. People changing oil according to the way daddy did it are living in the stone age. Modern oil doesn't require early changes, and modern engines create very little contamination and debris during break-in.

Oils of old didn't have the additives that modern oils have. Engines were dirtier. Hell, non-roller cams had to "wear-in", and in doing so, introduced metal into the oil. Times have changed. Save your money for mods. Your oil won't mind.

We have these amazing guys called "engineers" who actually do math and science and crazy things like that to determine when to do oil changes. If you ask me, it's the devil's work!

Southern Comfort · 11-20-2013, 10:09 AM

If it was mine, I would put off that $50 mod and change the oil & filter now.
No telling what manufacturing debris or foreign contaminant is swimming around in there.

The only disadvantage I can think of is the techs are likely to spill or drip oil on your car and your garage floor when you bring it home.

Hamilton2400 · 11-20-2013, 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by strych9

Exactly this. People changing oil according to the way daddy did it are living in the stone age. Modern oil doesn't require early changes, and modern engines create very little contamination and debris during break-in.

Oils of old didn't have the additives that modern oils have. Engines were dirtier. Hell, non-roller cams had to "wear-in", and in doing so, introduced metal into the oil. Times have changed. Save your money for mods. Your oil won't mind.

JCunningham · 11-24-2013, 01:16 AM

actually I cant remember if there was anything on the engine drain plug. but the rear diff was bad. So any lab results to confirm no early engine oil changes are needed?
just for kicks this is a pick of a 12 Silverado transfer case plug at 500miles. this is normal.

rear end like my rear on the Camaro but i didnt take any pics

BigBlock69RS · 11-24-2013, 01:35 AM

It only stands to reason, engine break in = more wear and hence debris in the oil while all the parts mate themselves. Changing oil early and often removes all that debris.

Ever cut open an engine oil filter after breaking in a motor on a stand? I have it's not pretty. Oil is cheap an engine isn't. Changing oil too often costs a few extra dollars, not changing it enough costs a lot more.

not · 11-24-2013, 04:12 AM

Per a very old posting about 2009, there was a guy who recommended a magnetized oil pan plug and a rare earth magnet that wraps around the oil filter. He showed all kinds of pics with debris on the plug and then proceeded to cut through the oil filter with a cutting wheel and then shows all the metal debris in the oil, ha. 99% of that was the oil filter debris.

So, even with what I wrote above, I got me both magnets. Changed the oil and absolutely nothing was on the oil pan plug but oil. We then carefully took off the filter and turned it upside down to drain in a clean coffee filter. Again, nada, nothing. And being an aluminum engine block, aluminum isn't magnetic.....

As for the pic above of the magnetized plug out of the rear differential, that is 100% normal. Believe it or not, but you want the gears cutting their teeth together like that, is how they fit so nicely together and don't scream going down the road. And with the 75-90 synthetic oils back there, the fluid is fine unless you are beating the living crap out of your car. In that case, no amount of oil changes will help that.

Now I understand why they made the Camaro auto trannies WITHOUT a dipstick. It is covered by a 5/100k warranty and they don't want to warrant screwups like overfills and God knows what, ha.

11-19-2013, 10:44 PM	#1
mailclerk Drives: 2013 Camaro 2LT/RS Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 137	too early to change oil??? Hello to you all, In a couple weeks I'm planning to take my newly bought Camaro/2013 on a nice trip to Arizona and was wondering if I should change the oil? Currently I only have about 2500K miles on it. Mail Clerk

11-19-2013, 10:57 PM	#2
Candr3535 Drives: 2013 ZL1 Triple Black Vert M6 #5591 Join Date: May 2013 Location: Galloway,NJ Posts: 747 View My Garage	I changed my oil for the first time at 640 miles. But I'm anal. At 2500 miles and a long trip I would definitely change it. Just my opinion __________________ 695 RWHP / 660 RWTQ @ 13.5 PSI Dyna-Tech Headers Ceramic Coated w/Super Flo Cats, JRE Custom Rough Idle Racing Cam Package and 125 RWHP Pulley Kit w/ 28% pulley, Custom Tune by Ted, ID850 injectors, JMS Fuel Booster, NGK Plugs, MSD Plug Wires, Roto-Fab CAI, Roto-Fab Big Gulp, Elite Catch Can, Mild to Wild, 90mm VMaxx Ported Throttle Body, Skip Shift Elim., D3 Coolant Resevoir, Separated Clutch Resevoir, and Fuzzy Red Dice..

11-19-2013, 10:59 PM	#3
Green Machine Always Workin Drives: 2021 Mazda MX-5 Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Youngstown, OH Posts: 1,362	I've got 750 miles on mine and it will get an oil change before I drive it in the spring. Sent from the road. __________________ 2023 Vivid Orange 1SS 1LE 6MT Arrived 8/31 Purchased 9/3 2018 1SS 1LE, HyperBlue Metallic (Sold) 2014 1SS 1LE, Black, Twin Turbo (Sold)

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ChibiBlackSheep Drives: 2012 2SS/RS, 1968 SS Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Southeast, PA Posts: 2,117	I also did the 2 quick changes, one at 800 and one at 3500. Now I'm using the OLM (unless I get around 20-30% and the weekend is nice) __________________ LS3 Crate Engine Swap \| CSP Custom Cam 232/240 .615/.615 113 +3 \| Stainless Power LT Headers \| Z28 Intake \| Borla S-Type Exhaust \| FTI Triple-Disc Billet 3200 Stall 2012 Camaro 2SS/RS \| 1968 Camaro SS \| 2020 Cadillac CT5 Premium Luxury \| 2021 Spark LS

11-24-2013, 01:16 AM	#12
JCunningham Drives: 2017 2SS M6 Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: WNY Posts: 7,069	actually I cant remember if there was anything on the engine drain plug. but the rear diff was bad. So any lab results to confirm no early engine oil changes are needed? just for kicks this is a pick of a 12 Silverado transfer case plug at 500miles. this is normal. rear end like my rear on the Camaro but i didnt take any pics __________________ real ZL1 wheels and brakes, 285/305 Michelin Pilot Super Sports, Pray ported Intake manifold, Soler Throttle Body, Rotofab intake, EFI Tuning Flex fuel kit, full American Racing Headers Exhaust, 1 7/8" w/ cats H pipe and mufflers. Full 1LE suspension, with BMR adjustable sway bars and links, GM aluminum cradle bushings, Hurst shifter with lighter reverse spring, TWM shifter knob, Tick level 1 transmission. I should have bought a ZL1

11-20-2013, 05:47 AM	#4
Mr_Draco Drives: 2SS/RS Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Western North Carolina Posts: 7,359	Imo, you are long past due on an oil change. I did my first oil change at 500 miles and again at 1,500 miles. After that I started doing regular oil changes.

11-20-2013, 06:59 AM	#5
motorhead Drives: Love the one you're with Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Downtown Charlie Brown Posts: 11,849	If you want to waste money go ahead. Listen to your DIC it knows more about your car than anyone on here when it comes to oil changes.

11-20-2013, 10:09 AM	#10
Southern Comfort No Tags/Habitual Violator Drives: 6.2 Z71 Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: North Georgia Posts: 2,382 View My Garage	If it was mine, I would put off that $50 mod and change the oil & filter now. No telling what manufacturing debris or foreign contaminant is swimming around in there. The only disadvantage I can think of is the techs are likely to spill or drip oil on your car and your garage floor when you bring it home.

11-24-2013, 01:35 AM	#13
BigBlock69RS Ed Drives: 2013 AGM Camaro 2SS/RS/1LE Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 951	It only stands to reason, engine break in = more wear and hence debris in the oil while all the parts mate themselves. Changing oil early and often removes all that debris. Ever cut open an engine oil filter after breaking in a motor on a stand? I have it's not pretty. Oil is cheap an engine isn't. Changing oil too often costs a few extra dollars, not changing it enough costs a lot more. __________________

11-24-2013, 04:12 AM	#14
not Account Suspended Drives: Camaro 2SS/RS Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 341	Per a very old posting about 2009, there was a guy who recommended a magnetized oil pan plug and a rare earth magnet that wraps around the oil filter. He showed all kinds of pics with debris on the plug and then proceeded to cut through the oil filter with a cutting wheel and then shows all the metal debris in the oil, ha. 99% of that was the oil filter debris. So, even with what I wrote above, I got me both magnets. Changed the oil and absolutely nothing was on the oil pan plug but oil. We then carefully took off the filter and turned it upside down to drain in a clean coffee filter. Again, nada, nothing. And being an aluminum engine block, aluminum isn't magnetic..... As for the pic above of the magnetized plug out of the rear differential, that is 100% normal. Believe it or not, but you want the gears cutting their teeth together like that, is how they fit so nicely together and don't scream going down the road. And with the 75-90 synthetic oils back there, the fluid is fine unless you are beating the living crap out of your car. In that case, no amount of oil changes will help that. Now I understand why they made the Camaro auto trannies WITHOUT a dipstick. It is covered by a 5/100k warranty and they don't want to warrant screwups like overfills and God knows what, ha.