When Was The Last Time You Worked Out At The Gym

[CFD]

Originally Posted by Mydivorcegift

Like I've said before....

You'd rather write books on things you know very little about getting stronger how to achieve the best results the fastest than read and learn. Most routines OF TODAYS ERA employ at least some of the WS principles, exercises, and exercise methods.

Funny earlier you told someone to train like who it is they want to be like. Yet when someone says they want to get stronger and I post something about WS your standard reply is some prehistoric training method and to say WS doesn't work for everyone. But guess what? It does...men, women, teenagers, lifters who have never picked up a weight before (my GF), to professsional athletes and anywhere in between. So when someone wants to be strong in the gym train like the strongest in the world.

You don't know shit about strength training and honestly I think you ought to keep your mouth shut about it. You want to talk about food or something then fine. You workout at home, not around strong people, and you aren't even a little bit strong. So essentially all you "know" about being strong is what you read on the Internet. Yet you choose not to read anything relevant to strength training of today.

Stick to food and being a lean pencil neck...it's what you are good at.

I almost feel like I'm in a high school gym with this response.

I've read some of the articles by westside gym you've directed me too and haven't seen to much difference than a lot of other stuff I've read by various trainers. I've also noticed the westside gym also suggests having a good basic foundation based on some of the methods I've touched on before going into advanced training.

I do have some knowledge in strength training, as I've said before not as much as many but more than some. If you think I'm a weak pencil neck well that's fine with me, at one point I looked forward to your responses and insight but that has changed rather quickly. You have no idea of my medical history to know the obstacles I've overcome to get to where I am today and honestly I'm quite proud of it. 3-4 yrs ago I was 240 lbs, walked with a serious limp due to old injuries, living in pain and was struggling with every day chores. I have made a complete 180 and for some reason you want to trivialize these accomplishments so be it, it's a very good reflection of who you are.

I offer suggestions to people, not usually of a specific training program because there are many that can be very productive but as to a general outlook and approach, when asked or someone posts a suggestion you paste a link to westside gym rather than discuss or give reasoning behind your thoughts.

I've come to this thread to share my interest in fitness, my successes and short comings as well as to help others be it with my "minimal knowledge" or a little motivation, if that some how offends you then my apologies.

I am perfectly content in working out in my home gym, there, I have no distractions, no waiting for equipment, no lame discussions or responses from others, I have no need to impress others or socialize with others in a commercial gym, , I am also perfectly content in throwing a couple more 5lb plates on the bar, looking back in a day or two and thinking to myself, I've made progress. how cool is that.

[CFD]

Originally Posted by DieselAries1

I'm going to sit back and have some trident layers and watch this unfold.... It's certainly about to escalate quickly.

I don't think there will be much more to it, I sometimes say things that aren't completely accurate or do not explain them well and some, such as yourself post something that will correct or trigger a more comprehensive response which is the way things should be, I'm here to educate myself as well as share some of my knowledge with others. If I say something someone disagrees with I'm happy to share my reasoning or where I got the info from and if I'm incorrect , it should promote a discussion that I'll learn from , I thought that's what this was all about. If I'm wrong, feel free to correct me.

[DieselAries1]

I do see some of his logic. Most people aren't built for powermovements. Depending on goals i.e. being thick and powerful Westside principles would work. For bodybuilding I would only apply just the movements i.e. deads, squats to my offseason routine while bulking to put on mass. The westside routine dosn't appease to any sort of definition or aesthetic appearance. In my knowledge this method actually appears to be the most dangerous in the long run. Genetical predisposition is a given and you will eventually stop growing. As for using gear tons of people do it and I have no qualms about people choices. I have friends who are world record holders and clean. The principles of progressive overload are my own method for my physique and it works spot on. Nothing ever changes really except a few exercises here and there every few months. Diet is always spot on for the most part unless I'm precontest where every macro is counted. I even firmly beleive there is no such thing as "overtraining" just under eating. Diet is 90% of your results.

I myself wouldn't recommend the westside principles to anyone unless they were aiming specifically to be powerful. Even then I would recommend a great health care plan with it.

[Mydivorcegift]

Originally Posted by CFD

I almost feel like I'm in a high school gym with this response.

I've read some of the articles by westside gym you've directed me too and haven't seen to much difference than a lot of other stuff I've read by various trainers. I've also noticed the westside gym also suggests having a good basic foundation based on some of the methods I've touched on before going into advanced training.

I do have some knowledge in strength training, as I've said before not as much as many but more than some. If you think I'm a weak pencil neck well that's fine with me, at one point I looked forward to your responses and insight but that has changed rather quickly. You have no idea of my medical history to know the obstacles I've overcome to get to where I am today and honestly I'm quite proud of it. 3-4 yrs ago I was 240 lbs, walked with a serious limp due to old injuries, living in pain and was struggling with every day chores. I have made a complete 180 and for some reason you want to trivialize these accomplishments so be it, it's a very good reflection of who you are.

I offer suggestions to people, not usually of a specific training program because there are many that can be very productive but as to a general outlook and approach, when asked or someone posts a suggestion you paste a link to westside gym rather than discuss or give reasoning behind your thoughts.

I've come to this thread to share my interest in fitness, my successes and short comings as well as to help others be it with my "minimal knowledge" or a little motivation, if that some how offends you then my apologies.

I am perfectly content in working out in my home gym, there, I have no distractions, no waiting for equipment, no lame discussions or responses from others, I have no need to impress others or socialize with others in a commercial gym, , I am also perfectly content in throwing a couple more 5lb plates on the bar, looking back in a day or two and thinking to myself, I've made progress. how cool is that.

You've read "some"? have you read the last 20 years worth to see how the training has changed and improved? Have you read they are training lighter today than they were 10 years ago and getting stronger? I could post hundreds of questions like this but won't....Of course not...you skimmed...

I have in no way trivialized your accomplishments. I think if you look back on my posts you will see I have congratulated you and told you, you should be really proud! And I've said before, food, being lean, showing people at 50+ years of age you can still be healthy, that's all CFD. But strength training, you have no knowledge.

I've read and educated myself when it comes to training for strength. I've also put in the time under the bar training, with people far stronger than me. So when someone asks about being stronger, not wanting a "general outlook and approach" like you posted above, no I'm not going to write a book like you, I'm going to post what is regarded as be best and biggest knowledge base (from again the strongest gym in the world bar none-you keep missing this) and let people hoe their own road. I have no problem leading a horse to water but that's where it stops....same with my GF.

I don't want to discuss it? I'll discuss strength training anytime you feel like.

[CFD]

Originally Posted by DieselAries1

I do see some of his logic. Most people aren't built for powermovements. Depending on goals i.e. being thick and powerful Westside principles would work. For bodybuilding I would only apply just the movements i.e. deads, squats to my offseason routine while bulking to put on mass. The westside routine dosn't appease to any sort of definition or aesthetic appearance. In my knowledge this method actually appears to be the most dangerous in the long run. Genetical predisposition is a given and you will eventually stop growing. As for using gear tons of people do it and I have no qualms about people choices. I have friends who are world record holders and clean. The principles of progressive overload are my own method for my physique and it works spot on. Nothing ever changes really except a few exercises here and there every few months. Diet is always spot on for the most part unless I'm precontest where every macro is counted. I even firmly beleive there is no such thing as "overtraining" just under eating. Diet is 90% of your results.

I myself wouldn't recommend the westside principles to anyone unless they were aiming specifically to be powerful. Even then I would recommend a great health care plan with it.

These are the same principals that are the basis of many programs but as you and I've said before, what is good for your goals may not be good for mine. The basics of progressive overload are present in most programs, or at least, the ones I follow. I've always said you should be adding weight ,reps or both. If you always lift 50lbs you will only be able to lift 50 lbs. The body is very adaptive and that is why I believe that any program has it's limits, variations in weight loads, tempo, reps, exercises choices all play a role in continuing to progress.

I do think there can be overtraining depending on your definition of it. Not allowing adequate recovery to the point where you cannot perform a routine to me is overtraining. Doing heavy squats day in and day out to the point where you can't do them with good form or without steadily dropping weight to me, is overtraining. Most good programs are structured so as to avoid these situations so following them usually will avoid it.

[DieselAries1]

Originally Posted by CFD

I do think there can be overtraining depending on your definition of it. Not allowing adequate recovery to the point where you cannot perform a routine to me is overtraining. Doing heavy squats day in and day out to the point where you can't do them with good form or without steadily dropping weight to me, is overtraining. Most good programs are structured so as to avoid these situations so following them usually will avoid it.

I would hope commen sense someone would not just do squats every day. When I say no such thing as overtraining I refer to doing one muscle group once a week. Such as myself. When precontest it's 7 days straight with no time off for months on end. This allows me a full 4days recovery approximately before working the muscle out directly again as secondary muscles will take an indirect workout on some days due to compound motions.

[DieselAries1]

Originally Posted by CFD

I don't think there will be much more to it, I sometimes say things that aren't completely accurate or do not explain them well and some, such as yourself post something that will correct or trigger a more comprehensive response which is the way things should be, I'm here to educate myself as well as share some of my knowledge with others. If I say something someone disagrees with I'm happy to share my reasoning or where I got the info from and if I'm incorrect , it should promote a discussion that I'll learn from , I thought that's what this was all about. If I'm wrong, feel free to correct me.

I was almost be facious in regards to his response "
Stick to food and being a lean pencil neck...it's what you are good at."

[Mydivorcegift]

Originally Posted by DieselAries1

I do see some of his logic. Most people aren't built for powermovements. Depending on goals i.e. being thick and powerful Westside principles would work. For bodybuilding I would only apply just the movements i.e. deads, squats to my offseason routine while bulking to put on mass. The westside routine dosn't appease to any sort of definition or aesthetic appearance. In my knowledge this method actually appears to be the most dangerous in the long run. Genetical predisposition is a given and you will eventually stop growing. As for using gear tons of people do it and I have no qualms about people choices. I have friends who are world record holders and clean. The principles of progressive overload are my own method for my physique and it works spot on. Nothing ever changes really except a few exercises here and there every few months. Diet is always spot on for the most part unless I'm precontest where every macro is counted. I even firmly beleive there is no such thing as "overtraining" just under eating. Diet is 90% of your results.

I myself wouldn't recommend the westside principles to anyone unless they were aiming specifically to be powerful. Even then I would recommend a great health care plan with it.

True but even those that aren't can still become more powerful than most by applying the principles and addressing their weaknesses instead of ignoring them.

And true WS isn't geared toward "looking pretty" but if you truly apply the principles with things like the extra workouts, GPP work, sled dragging, prowler pushing unless you are a big dude (242 +) you will look good. Bodybuilder good no....but good.

I don't believe in overtraining either.....just not being in shape to lift....most don't understand this.

Curious as to why you think the WS system is the most dangerous in the long run? And what aspects are you referring to as dangerous? (The training principles, the exercises, the gear, the drugs, etc). On those lines yeah to each their own....use steroids your call but not for me personally....use gear...I would suggest it especially if you are going to continue to train heavy as you get older.

And I don't recommend them to everyone either. Only those who state they want to get stronger.

[Mydivorcegift]

Originally Posted by DieselAries1

I was almost be facious in regards to his response "
Stick to food and being a lean pencil neck...it's what you are good at."

It is what he is good at.....

Pencil neck was not the best choice of words....

[CFD]

Originally Posted by Mydivorcegift

You've read "some"? have you read the last 20 years worth to see how the training has changed and improved? Have you read they are training lighter today than they were 10 years ago and getting stronger? I could post hundreds of questions like this but won't....Of course not...you skimmed...

I have in no way trivialized your accomplishments. I think if you look back on my posts you will see I have congratulated you and told you, you should be really proud! And I've said before, food, being lean, showing people at 50+ years of age you can still be healthy, that's all CFD. But strength training, you have no knowledge.

I've read and educated myself when it comes to training for strength. I've also put in the time under the bar training, with people far stronger than me. So when someone asks about being stronger, not wanting a "general outlook and approach" like you posted above, no I'm not going to write a book like you, I'm going to post what is regarded as be best and biggest knowledge base (from again the strongest gym in the world bar none-you keep missing this) and let people hoe their own road. I have no problem leading a horse to water but that's where it stops....same with my GF.

I don't want to discuss it? I'll discuss strength training anytime you feel like.

Your right, I've not read 20 yrs worth and have no intensions to. I have no interest in that type of training, again you are right in that I am trying to achieve a leaner more natural look as well as building strength which I am also doing so I tend to read more along those lines. If you think that performing full body lifts such as squats, deadlifts, bench presses, rows etc. aren't effective for building strength and mass do me a favor, rather than post a link to 20 yrs worth of insight from the westside gym tell me why you think not. I'll be more than happy to read and discuss that.

[CFD]

Originally Posted by DieselAries1

I would hope commen sense someone would not just do squats every day. When I say no such thing as overtraining I refer to doing one muscle group once a week. Such as myself. When precontest it's 7 days straight with no time off for months on end. This allows me a full 4days recovery approximately before working the muscle out directly again as secondary muscles will take an indirect workout on some days due to compound motions.

Believe me lol, not everyone who picks up weights has common sense. That is why I suggest to people that need direction too follow well constructed programs because they supply "the common sense" for you.

[CFD]

Originally Posted by DieselAries1

I was almost be facious in regards to his response "
Stick to food and being a lean pencil neck...it's what you are good at."

I actually laughed at that comment, funny is funny lol.

[Dznts]

Hello everyone, looks a little heated in here. Back and shoulders tonight for me, and let me just say, I am glad that the holidays are behind me now!

[CFD]

Originally Posted by Mydivorcegift

It is what he is good at.....

Pencil neck was not the best choice of words....

I don't think I've ever been called a pencil neck before, now if you posted Richard Cranium , that I've heard before in reference to me.