2014 Camaro Z/28 pricing announced at $75,000

[Schluney]

http://money.cnn.com/2014/01/03/auto...ex.html?iid=GM


Cool car but would you pay that?

[Bhobbs]

If I had the money, yes, I would.

[RyanR3KC]

75K? They've got to be kidding. This price tag will keep the ZL1 alive and well.

[Novie LE]

Never. You are telling me that car us worth two 1ss Le's?

[Msmall143]

This is 1le related how....

75k is high in the Chevy community, but it ain't high in the car community, collector community or racing community

[The Stig]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

The pill found a surrogate. I'll be surprised if the mods allow that to continue.

IP's are different

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by The Stig

IP's are different

Plenty of ways to get new IP addresses, that really means nothing.
http://www.ehow.com/how_8390742_disg...ss.html#page=0

[Schluney]

Apologies for not being 1LE related... If I were to buy one it would not be driven I couldn't justify the money if it wasn't purchased for collectibility

[DrkPhx]

Originally Posted by mkorgan

and lets not forget the z/28 ran a 7:31 at the ring on a dry track. The Pill conviently left that point out which eliminates much of his bloviating.

Ehhh. That's not the official time because it wasn't recorded which is amazing considering they were there for a couple of weeks.

[LOWDOWN]

Anyone can pretty much climb up on their mother's lap, use her laptop's i.p., and join in the chat, here. But to direct us away from OUR "home", to chase down and waste breath and keystrokes "correcting" the misguided rantings of someone with a demonstrated and sustained HATE for anything hinting of Gen-5 Camaro, is well-contrary to being sensible or worthy of consideration.

His problem began when his "revised Gen-5 Z/28" rendering was not taken seriously, and he later admitted that IF his rendering had been seriously considered by GM, he'd be more amenable to the Gen-5 Camaro. Seriously. Seriously?!

I believe he was "corrected", about Page 22 or 23 of a certain long-term myopic rant, chose to stay away for a few days until the coast was clear, and then continued on, unabated. C'est le guerre...

Any other news-worthy news, out there? How about the available colors?

[LOWDOWN]

Originally Posted by 29er

just wondering if we would of have 434 comments, if gm would have said it's price was 60k car???

1) Too cheap for content, and build capabilities, vs. actual co$t$...

2) We'd have 5,000 comments, each one with a VISA deposit number attached, and then no way of building those 5,000 vehicles...which would lead to ANOTHER 3,000 comments about how stupid GM was for pricing the car so far below supply - demand matrix...

Damned if you do, damned if you don't...and damned from afar by the spineless weasels...

[6910]

Thanks for the info Scott.. Is it alarming to GM that Camaro enthusiasts are not excited or even see anyway to drive a Z/28? Someone suggested on our club page that some of the more extreme options be made options so that we could still enjoy the Z/28 mystic. I would pay 50-60K for 1LE suspension and wheels + an LS7. Myself and most every Camaro enthusiast I've heard from do not appreciate the Z/28 badge being relagated to a museum piece. I don't recall such an outcry from such an extremly loyal customer base since the GTO fans balked out the new GTO.

[Number 3]

I have a question with regard to this issue.

Forgetting the Mustang, forgetting the rules of current racing organizations, and forgetting the Gen 2 through Gen 4 where Z28 and SS had different meanings, should the Z/28 be capable of beating the ZL1 around the track?

If your answer is yes, then you have to accept that simply within the world of Camaro, GM set the bar very, very, very high.

I have tried to make the point all along that if you simply put an LS7 in the 1LE you would have a GREAT car. A car I would want and many of you would also. But you MUST accept that the LS7 is a very expensive engine. Many want it to be a few thousand. Others think GM should simply discount it because they want it to be cheap. Accept the fact that it is a premium hand build engine and cost a LOT more than the LS3. I know it's hard we all want something for nothing, but the LS7 is expensive. That car WOULD NOT beat a ZL1 around any track. It would have an 80 HP disadvantage. All things being equal, engine to engine, you have a great car that costs about $55,000 and can't beat the ZL1 around the track.

So if you want the Z/28 to be the track king in the Camaro family you needed to drop some weight, do some unique dampers, go with unique smaller wheels, ANNNNND Carbon Ceramic brakes.

If you accept the notion that the Z/28 was conceived after the ZL1 and it's reason for being wasn't to be a car between the ZL1 and the 1LE then you have to accept the cost for the content and engineering it took to make this car.

Again, the guys on this site that know me, know I have a "thing" for the LS7. It is pure naturally aspirated awesomeness. And I would have paid a huge option price for an LS7 in a 1LE, but from GM's perspective they would simply have two $55,000 Camaros in the stable. One with the LSA and MR shocks and another with the LS7 and a pretty great chassis. But if you went into that showroom and saw 2 cars for about the same money wouldn't you buy the faster car on the track? The faster car for the 1/4 mile? Or would you be like me and just by the LS7 because you had love for that engine? Most people would want the "better" car.

So the cost is driven by making a car significantly faster than a ZL1 on the track. Period. I doubt a Z/28 can take a ZL1 in the 1/4 mile. I'd be pretty shocked by that.

GM set a high bar with the ZL1 and anyone that is making the case for the mythical $60,000 Z/28 is making a case for a car that isn't the top car in it's own family.

Again, for me I would have wanted an LS7 powered 1LE over a ZL1 even if it didn't have the same level of performance and with price being equal. But that's me and I didn't get asked.

[LOWDOWN]

It's CLEAR that the "powers-that-be" DEMANDED such a high-bar car. To achieve the end result required components that even the most rabid Z/28 - LS7 fans didn't suspect would be utilized. Which drove up co$t$.

I was clearly, as were many-many, a proponent of 1LE - LS7 results, but that was NOT the benchmark chosen. I respect their expectations, and I certainly respect the result.

Facts are, the development costs would be the SAME, either version. And if an alternative version, with non-mandatory-but-optional features was created, the development costs would have been even GREATER. EVERY version would need to jump through all the hoops and hurdles, and each hoop-n-hurdle CO$T$.

Paying more, and getting less, would have been the Base model's destiny, while the true-intent Top Dog would have been even closer to COPO ca$h...