2014 Camaro Z/28 pricing announced at $75,000

[Novie LE]

Originally Posted by motorhead

His point is the you can't only count the cost of the motor when deciding on putting another power plant in. There are many more parts and pieces involved that don't make your math correct.

And I feel those pieces are not 10k worth and my original 46k ls7 1le stands.

[tramtwo]

Just hurry up and open the damn parts bin already. I can't afford the entire Z but bet ya ass I am going to bolt on some pieces to this 1LE!!

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[Novie LE]

Originally Posted by ShnOmac

There were over 200 changes made to the Z/28.... Each and everyone of them has to be R&D and "validated". It's not plug and play like a lot of people seem to be thinking.

I don't care about the z28. I care about sticking a ls7 in a 1le and the price of doing that.

[mlee]

Originally Posted by Novie LE

I rarely use "tuners". Actually in my entire life I have had one car tuned by someone other than me. Sole reason for that is that I think SCT and their software sucks.

Then you've missed a huge piece of the puzzle. Check out the EFI Live or HP Tuners website. The number of tables and software code is mind boggling.

Originally Posted by Novie LE

I don't care about the z28. I care about sticking a ls7 in a 1le and the price of doing that.

I watched closely as Hennessey "just stuck an LS9" in a Camaro SS for the 1st time. The software problems almost killed that project.

[mkorgan]

and even though I may not have the chance to get one, simply because I do not have the connections with dealers - nothing financially precludes me from getting one, I am thrilled GM made this car, completely thrilled. Thanks GM. From someone who may never have one, I still appreciate your efforts and look forward to what's next!!!!

[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by Novie LE

I don't care about the z28. I care about sticking a ls7 in a 1le and the price of doing that.

Point is GM CAN NOT just pull the engine off the shelf and call it a day. It MUST be validated which is a LOT of money.... Those cost's would then be added to the price of the car.

[Novie LE]

Originally Posted by mlee

Then you've missed a huge piece of the puzzle. Check out the EFI Live or HP Tuners website. The number of tables and software code is mind boggling.
I watched closely as Hennessey "just stuck an LS9" in a Camaro SS for the 1st time. The software problems almost killed that project.

I know all about HP tuners and the tables available.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by Novie LE

And I feel those pieces are not 10k worth and my original 46k ls7 1le stands.

When you consider all the R&D involved it certainly is.

[fbodfather]

Originally Posted by mkorgan

can you elaborate on REAL numbers? We have the press release with "official" numbers and we know it ran faster but are new "real" numbers coming or to be expected?

When we are finished with the car!!!!!

(sorry - but think about it - if we were done and had them - don't you think we'd have shared them? ...)

[fbodfather]

Originally Posted by Novie LE

And I feel those pieces are not 10k worth and my original 46k ls7 1le stands.

It may 'stand' but it means absolutely nothing if you don't know all of the facts..

[mlee]

Originally Posted by Novie LE

I know all about HP tuners and the tables available.

Then maybe you should have said so.

Originally Posted by Novie LE

I rarely use "tuners". Actually in my entire life I have had one car tuned by someone other than me. Sole reason for that is that I think SCT and their software sucks.

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by 350 HRSS

Quote:
Originally Posted by motorhead
It really doesn't matter what direction GM would have taken with this car. Someone would still have a problem with it. I understand what this Pill fellow is saying in regard to the car missing the boat if the intension was to be a track car, but I really think the intention was for some extremely rich dude to be able play against the clock during open track events which it will do just fine. The marketing comes in when they say it is picking up where the 69 left off or that it is bred out of the 69. Anybody with any kind of brains over Fanboyism knows that's just good marketing. Other than the looks, I have no desire to own one over a ZL1 after seeing this cost. The really funny thing is that if the looks is all you're into, then grab a 2014 non rs package 1LE. They look just as good at just about half the cost. Put Z/28 stickers on too if it will make you feel better. If you got the money and want to buy a Z/28 I say go for it and enjoy it. I'm sure GM will sell everyone the build.
Agree with this post above. There are many levels of Camaro to own, everyone can't afford each level. GM will sell each Z/28 they produce, just like they did with the COPO. This thread is unreal in how it's progressed. If it's too much, you don't have to buy it. Just get a different Camaro. Go for the 2014 1LE as mentioned above. It's a sharp car, and similar in style to the Z/28. I agree also, that no matter what direction GM would have taken, some would have a problem with it. I am just glad they are back with the Z/28, and look forward to seeing what it will do in 2014 at the track

There is a sense that this one particular Camaro level was taken out of reach of too many of the people who would have used it as pitched - out on a track . . . with no particular intent to be run in W2W events.

It is very easy for some of us to not only appreciate but prefer its basic, no-frills, heavy on the performance content nature. And that's what's missing in the rest of the line-up. The 1979 Malibu that I bought new and which remained in daily driver service until well into the 2000's was ordered as v8/4-barrel, 4MT, sport suspension, bucket seats, no A/C, no radio, HD radiator, HD alternator and virtually nothing else (I actually begrudged the notion of having to get the "Classic" trim in order to get one of the things I did want, most likely the seats). You could say I already have put my money where my keyboard is today, and I'd do it again for my next car if whatever that turns out to be comes in at a reasonable price point (with A/C this time).

It's the price point that's the Z/28's let-down. It's the one Camaro that so clearly puts the driving experience above the presence of technological content.

A 1SS 1LE is as close as any of the rest get, but even it is still a little too cluttered with features that are irrelevant to the driving experience.

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

It's not the past...it's who he is. You'll have to find out for yourself.

All you can find out about that from here would be from reading history, history that was before my time here as well. Maybe the difference between 'difficult' (Pill's own self-description) and 'impossible' (i.e. earning ban status) all lies in how easily one's hot buttons can be pushed.


Norm

[Novie LE]

Originally Posted by ShnOmac

Point is GM CAN NOT just pull the engine off the shelf and call it a day. It MUST be validated which is a LOT of money.... Those cost's would then be added to the price of the car.

Understood. That's why I'm looking for a price of gm doing that. Cause 25k plus is a bs number

[matt55]

Originally Posted by fbodfather

here's what you're missing (pay attention!)

YOu cannot just swap out one engine for another -

Did you notice that they don't have 'carburetor linkages' anymore? All of that is electronic - all of that has to be created and tested and evaluated and validated.......................$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Lesson over.

Thank you for taking time out of your day to talk down to me for asking a valid question.
So <$7000 for motor and > $13000 per car for electronic's and testing (to come up with a $55-60k ls7 1le. )
I still don't get it .