2014 Camaro Z/28 pricing announced at $75,000

[fbodfather]

I'm at a loss here.

I really hate having to get snappish with people - I really do.

However, put yourselves in the Camaro Team's place.

You have gone thru amazing times (not good times) during bankruptcy - and you manage to still bring out a new Camaro that's the spitting image of the concept car.

It's embraced by all -- except a few from brand x who will always love their brand and dislike the Camaro brand - and that's fine....that's part of what drives this business. (....I DO believe that brand x people should behave themselves on this site -just as I believe camaro people should when visiting brand x's enthusiasts sites and if you're not - you're disgracing the camaro community....

We brought you cars from 323 hp to 580 -- Camaros that will shame cars costing many times more. We have worked hard to bring you performance parts to allow you to tailor your Camaro to your liking.

We didn't just trust ourselves - rather we go out into the internet sites and read 'til our heads are about to explode.

We travel nearly every weekend to spend time with our enthusiasts.

MOREOVER - we brought together the camaro advisory board (the Camaro Disciples) -- to ensure we were listening to the community including GTO/Firebird/Corvette Enthusiasts... something that no other brand has done up to this point.......

We constantly strive to bring you the best bang for the buck even though we face more and more government regulations and rules - and CAFE numbers that choke most people in the industry.....

.........and yet we just brought you the meanest Camaro ever - the Z/28 - reborn in its original image and purpose....and priced it as a bargain WHEN YOU CONSIDER ALL YOU GET AND WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT COSTS ARE.

yes - we could have cut corners. We didn't have to reduce the weight of the glass....we didn't have to reverse engineer the HVAC system to remove A/C -- we didn't have to do the hundreds upon hundreds of changes to make this car blisteringly fast on Nurburgring (and we still haven't published the final numbers as the car received many tweaks after that day in the rain...) BUT - when you are dealing with a HALLOWED nameplate like Z/28 - you don't cut corners. We set out with a complete set of criteria - and in order to EARN the right to put the Z/28 nameplate on the car - we had to check all the boxes. Al and his team checked them all AND THEN SOME.

........we managed to outsell Mustang for the 4th year in a row....and that's with less incentives and substantially less fleet sales........

.............and yet we still have 'armchair engineers' who question everything we do. ....

It's one thing to question - it's another to get insulting and even another to simply refuse to listen to reasonable explanations.

Number 3 and Lowdown do not work for GM. Yet they continually spend time on here sharing their vast knowledge - and yet people bash them.

THIS is why I lose my patience - I shouldn't -- but I'm human and I'm getting too old for this perhaps...............

So - to those of you who understand what this car is and what it isn't and love what you see -THANK YOU - you will not be disappointed with the performance.

To those of you who still don't get it - I'm sorry - I don't know what else to do - it bothers me that I can't seem to get thru to you -- but the performance of this car will prove that Al Oppenheiser and the team were right - and that they're bringing you the meanest Camaro ever. (save for perhaps the COPO which is a Drag car - the Z/28 is not a drag car - it's a road course car.......)

It is a GREAT time to be a Camaro enthusiast -- indeed!

(and for you Brand X owners on here that don't like Camaros - sorry! )

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by Crazyhorse6901

A fool and his money will soon to be parted; better off getting the Shelby GT500. More bang for the buck!!!

The ZL1 has more performance ,cheaper and comes with an AC too.

Originally Posted by ShnOmac

Agreed

[Sven59]

$75,000 to me, that is a cheap price for the performance especially if we don't know the "new" time.
Personally I love driving around in a $60,000 full warranted race car. People need to remember these cars will be legends (probably already are) in the history of performance cars and we are right in the middle of it, who knows what regulations will do to cars in the future but this is a fantastic opportunity and you better go big or stay home.

[backtotintops]

Originally Posted by motorhead

I understand what this Pill fellow is saying in regard to the car missing the boat if the intension was to be a track car,

This IS a track car…not a race car yet. Why don't people understand that?

Originally Posted by motorhead

but I really think the intention was for some extremely rich dude to be able play against the clock during open track events which it will do just fine.

This is nonsense. Extremely rich dudes drive McLarens. This car offers EXTREME VALUE!

Originally Posted by LOWDOWN

The 7:31-and-change was run when others were on-track and/or on-property. a "gentleman's agreement" exists where, when other prototypes are present, cameras are turned off, excepting a short window near the end of each day...

thanks...I was wondering about this

Originally Posted by fbodfather

When we are finished with the car!!!!!

(sorry - but think about it - if we were done and had them - don't you think we'd have shared them? ...)

ha ha I was right!

[ShnOmac]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

Oh the drama! How do any of us know what it really cost GM? He needs to let it go. I believe he said he doesn't care about the Z/28 anyway. Time for us all to get back to the Z/28.

I am done.

[james347]

Originally Posted by Crazyhorse6901

A fool and his money will soon to be parted; better off getting the Shelby GT500. More bang for the buck!!!

The ZL1 has more performance ,cheaper and comes with an AC too.

[Novie LE]

Originally Posted by Sven59

How about you and 100,000 of your friends sign a contract with GM for 100,000 1LE's with/LS7's and I bet it would be cheaper.

Sent from a large hammer via tapatalk.

Missed the point again. I don't care for a ls7 1le that costs 60k. The question here is why does it cost 30k for Gm to put a ls7 in?

[fbodfather]

Originally Posted by Novie LE

Im going to say this one last time. Take away whatever the full ls3 setup costs. Harnes, mounts, electronics, accessories, ect. When you look at a v6 camaro and decide you want a v8 camaro do you pay the full price of the v6 motor and all and then add on the v8? No, you don't.

OK- I'll try one more time.

The ZL1 has 40 percent unique parts versus the Camaro SS. A Z/28 has similar percentages - THAT'S why it costs more.

WE don't intend to offer an LS7 (which is handbuilt by the way...) on a 1LE. If you choose to do a conversion - fine - but it isn't as simple as removing one engine and inserting another - AND - your 1LE will still be quite a bit slower than the Z/28 because of the many parts under the skin that are different.

Does that make it clearer?

[Bad@ssCamaro]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

Oh the drama! How do any of us know what it really cost GM? He needs to let it go. I believe he said he doesn't care about the Z/28 anyway. Time for us all to get back to the Z/28.

I see you started another thread about Z/28 times when they go back to the 'ring.

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by fbodfather

I'm at a loss here.

I really hate having to get snappish with people - I really do.

However, put yourselves in the Camaro Team's place.

You have gone thru amazing times (not good times) during bankruptcy - and you manage to still bring out a new Camaro that's the spitting image of the concept car.

It's embraced by all -- except a few from brand x who will always love their brand and dislike the Camaro brand - and that's fine....that's part of what drives this business. (....I DO believe that brand x people should behave themselves on this site -just as I believe camaro people should when visiting brand x's enthusiasts sites and if you're not - you're disgracing the camaro community....

We brought you cars from 323 hp to 580 -- Camaros that will shame cars costing many times more. We have worked hard to bring you performance parts to allow you to tailor your Camaro to your liking.

We didn't just trust ourselves - rather we go out into the internet sites and read 'til our heads are about to explode.

We travel nearly every weekend to spend time with our enthusiasts.

MOREOVER - we brought together the camaro advisory board (the Camaro Disciples) -- to ensure we were listening to the community including GTO/Firebird/Corvette Enthusiasts... something that no other brand has done up to this point.......

We constantly strive to bring you the best bang for the buck even though we face more and more government regulations and rules - and CAFE numbers that choke most people in the industry.....

.........and yet we just brought you the meanest Camaro ever - the Z/28 - reborn in its original image and purpose....and priced it as a bargain WHEN YOU CONSIDER ALL YOU GET AND WHAT THE DEVELOPMENT COSTS ARE.

yes - we could have cut corners. We didn't have to reduce the weight of the glass....we didn't have to reverse engineer the HVAC system to remove A/C -- we didn't have to do the hundreds upon hundreds of changes to make this car blisteringly fast on Nurburgring (and we still haven't published the final numbers as the car received many tweaks after that day in the rain...) BUT - when you are dealing with a HALLOWED nameplate like Z/28 - you don't cut corners. We set out with a complete set of criteria - and in order to EARN the right to put the Z/28 nameplate on the car - we had to check all the boxes. Al and his team checked them all AND THEN SOME.

........we managed to outsell Mustang for the 4th year in a row....and that's with less incentives and substantially less fleet sales........

.............and yet we still have 'armchair engineers' who question everything we do. ....

It's one thing to question - it's another to get insulting and even another to simply refuse to listen to reasonable explanations.

Number 3 and Lowdown do not work for GM. Yet they continually spend time on here sharing their vast knowledge - and yet people bash them.

THIS is why I lose my patience - I shouldn't -- but I'm human and I'm getting too old for this perhaps...............

So - to those of you who understand what this car is and what it isn't and love what you see -THANK YOU - you will not be disappointed with the performance.

To those of you who still don't get it - I'm sorry - I don't know what else to do - it bothers me that I can't seem to get thru to you -- but the performance of this car will prove that Al Oppenheiser and the team were right - and that they're bringing you the meanest Camaro ever. (save for perhaps the COPO which is a Drag car - the Z/28 is not a drag car - it's a road course car.......)

It is a GREAT time to be a Camaro enthusiast -- indeed!

(and for you Brand X owners on here that don't like Camaros - sorry! )

There are many more here that understand what you've done and thank you and the team for it. Keep up the great work!

[macwest]

FBodFather I have a question ....

Can we please say the z28 WILL NOT have onstar? For weight reduction it adds pounds and for how the z28 is designed would seem to be completely useless.

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by Bad@ssCamaro

I see you started another thread about Z/28 times when they go back to the 'ring.

Yes it's a much more sane place to hang.

[mlee]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

There are many more here that understand what you've done and thank you and the team for it. Keep up the great work!

Yes, THANK YOU for spending your Sunday evening with us. It's always appreciated.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by backtotintops

This IS a track car…not a race car yet. Why don't people understand that?

This is nonsense. Extremely rich dudes drive McLarens. This car offers EXTREME VALUE!

Right, that's what I said. It's made for rich guys to play at track events. Oh, and rich guys drive much more than just McClarens. My point is. You're not going to be seeing the average person with the coin to buy this. There will be a few scrape the money up to make the payments but they really can't afford it. Just look at the cost of the tires alone and how long they last. Besides, I wasn't bashing in that post anyhow. You missed what I was getting at which happens on the Internet at times. I love the car. It's what people ask for, and I hope the ones that get one enjoy it instead of parking it under glass. For me and how I use a performance car, my ZL1 is king. That why GM makes several packages.