When Was The Last Time You Worked Out At The Gym

[CFD]

Originally Posted by Mydivorcegift

Yeah have to say I am not really a fan of doctors. Most don't advocate a healthy life and had rather write you a scrip for it.....When are you going to the specialist? Tomorrow?

Also not a fan of "case studies" or "research has shown" for the reasons like what is published above. So first you don't know who or what level of fitness these "weightlifters" were. Second the case study is a whopping 2 weeks. 3rd you have weightlifters perform "runs on a power machine". Give me a f'n break.

WSB lifters max every week and train no less than 10 times a week with a lot of these workouts focusing on addressing weaknesses and they don't overtrain. I think I prefer believing this "case study" vs the one you published because this one has been going on for over 20 years, is proven on all lifters of all strength levels (best example being Dave Hoff who came to WSB 8 or 9 years ago as a 15 year old and now has the highest total ever in PL'ing), and is drawn from mostly the strongest people walking the face of the earth (speaking from a PL'ing standpoint).

Where as this is Sunday, I was given a referral to a specialist but cannot book an appointment until tomorrow.

I'm sure there are many more studies on overtraining on many levels, they are referenced all the time although I typically don't read them and chances are if I did, although I may understand the conclusions I might not understand the terminology. I suppose you could argue every study ever made on any subject but here is how I look at it. When I was a very young lad, I had a teacher who taught me that 2+2=4. I don't remember what book it was in but I'm pretty sure it was correct, I now can see for myself it is true. Now I have an interest in nutrition, again I have read it many times and know that there are 4 cals per gram of protein, 4 cals per gram of carbs and 9 cals per gram of fat. I have absolutely no way of testing this for myself, nor do I recall all the books that have made reference to this but I am quite sure it is correct. So I now have realized that sometimes you must rely on the knowledge and research of others that are more capable than I am. So when almost every training program I have read, or article from places such as The American College of Sports Medicine all the ways down to your average magazine on training notes studies on overtraining and acknowledges it as a reality I am pretty confident it is in fact a reality. Now for me personally, in the past, when I first started my weight loss goals, I was doing weight training and cardio quite frequently, my nutrition was where it should have been and the results showed it. I used various methods of calculating my caloric intake and made adjustments according to my results, I started to get burned out, I was sleeping well at night and even taking naps during the day, I also started eating more because I felt weaker rather than stronger. My caloric intake was adequate and as far as macro's right on, I started gaining weight but still felt weak and my strength as far as weight lifting stopped making progress. I started eliminating cardio and taking a day of here and there and everything picked up again. You can argue all day long why things stalled but in fact I was exercising way to much, now perhaps I was a ****ing idiot like was mentioned you had to be to overtrain but in fact I was overtraining. Now with my great wisdom I rarely have overtraining issues because when the symptoms I have learned are associated with it start to be known I know enough to back off a little, take a break, change my program or other various methods that prevent it.


Just something I would like to add seeing that you are very fond of WSB, these are not my words but those of Simmons himself.

In most gyms, the strongest guy leads the way, and everyone else tries to follow his program. What happens is, he makes progress and everyone else gets overtrained. At Westside, we use a particular weight and particular bar speed, and we control the volume by how strong you are.

[Mydivorcegift]

Originally Posted by CFD

Where as this is Sunday, I was given a referral to a specialist but cannot book an appointment until tomorrow.

I'm sure there are many more studies on overtraining on many levels, they are referenced all the time although I typically don't read them and chances are if I did, although I may understand the conclusions I might not understand the terminology. I suppose you could argue every study ever made on any subject but here is how I look at it. When I was a very young lad, I had a teacher who taught me that 2+2=4. I don't remember what book it was in but I'm pretty sure it was correct, I now can see for myself it is true. Now I have an interest in nutrition, again I have read it many times and know that there are 4 cals per gram of protein, 4 cals per gram of carbs and 9 cals per gram of fat. I have absolutely no way of testing this for myself, nor do I recall all the books that have made reference to this but I am quite sure it is correct. So I now have realized that sometimes you must rely on the knowledge and research of others that are more capable than I am. So when almost every training program I have read, or article from places such as The American College of Sports Medicine all the ways down to your average magazine on training notes studies on overtraining and acknowledges it as a reality I am pretty confident it is in fact a reality. Now for me personally, in the past, when I first started my weight loss goals, I was doing weight training and cardio quite frequently, my nutrition was where it should have been and the results showed it. I used various methods of calculating my caloric intake and made adjustments according to my results, I started to get burned out, I was sleeping well at night and even taking naps during the day, I also started eating more because I felt weaker rather than stronger. My caloric intake was adequate and as far as macro's right on, I started gaining weight but still felt weak and my strength as far as weight lifting stopped making progress. I started eliminating cardio and taking a day of here and there and everything picked up again. You can argue all day long why things stalled but in fact I was exercising way to much, now perhaps I was a ****ing idiot like was mentioned you had to be to overtrain but in fact I was overtraining. Now with my great wisdom I rarely have overtraining issues because when the symptoms I have learned are associated with it start to be known I know enough to back off a little, take a break, change my program or other various methods that prevent it.


Just something I would like to add seeing that you are very fond of WSB, these are not my words but those of Simmons himself.

In most gyms, the strongest guy leads the way, and everyone else tries to follow his program. What happens is, he makes progress and everyone else gets overtrained. At Westside, we use a particular weight and particular bar speed, and we control the volume by how strong you are.

At least you are reading now.

Now go back and re-read that paragraph....

[CFD]

Originally Posted by Mydivorcegift

At least you are reading now.

Now go back and re-read that paragraph....

There is nothing I need to re- read. I was just pointing out that mr. Simmons acknowledges overtraining

[kevint]

Jesus H. Chelios, guys, you're still going?

Oh, and the gf and I don't compete.

[Mydivorcegift]

Originally Posted by CFD

Just something I would like to add seeing that you are very fond of WSB, these are not my words but those of Simmons himself.

In most gyms (IE not WSB), the strongest guy leads the way, and everyone else tries to follow his program. What happens is, he makes progress and everyone else gets overtrained. At Westside, we use a particular weight and particular bar speed, and we control the volume by how strong you are.

He acknowledges overtraining by people at other gyms, using other, out of date, and stone age training.... You don't overtrain using the WSB system because it is based off ultimately a % based off YOUR strength level....doesn't matter if you squat 100 or a 1000....this is how the volume is regulated....

[CFD]

Originally Posted by Mydivorcegift

He acknowledges overtraining by people at other gyms, using other, out of date, and stone age training.... You don't overtrain using the WSB system because it is based off ultimately a % based off YOUR strength level....doesn't matter if you squat 100 or a 1000....this is how the volume is regulated....

Again you seem to be missing the point. There was no reference made to overtraining at WSB or any place else in specific. A comment was made similar to " I don't believe there is such a thing as overtraining" all of the reports or studies and comments I have made have been to support the fact that there is such a thing as overtraining. Because a particular method of training or a particular gym has expertise in avoiding it doesn't mean that it does not exist. That's like saying because I don't have cancer there is no such thing.

[Mydivorcegift]

Originally Posted by CFD

Again you seem to be missing the point. There was no reference made to overtraining at WSB or any place else in specific. A comment was made similar to " I don't believe there is such a thing as overtraining" all of the reports or studies and comments I have made have been to support the fact that there is such a thing as overtraining. Because a particular method of training or a particular gym has expertise in avoiding it doesn't mean that it does not exist. That's like saying because I don't have cancer there is no such thing.

You are absolutely right. I should have been more specific with my comment.

Again I am just thrilled you are reading and learning something new.....

[CFD]

Originally Posted by Mydivorcegift

You are absolutely right. I should have been more specific with my comment.

Again I am just thrilled you are reading and learning something new.....

I am always reading and learning, it is not something new as a result of this thread. In fact most of what I offer here or in the weight loss threads have come from my readings. When I say I've seen a study or have read something it is because I have, when something is based on my own experience I always state it and when I make a comment like in general it is just that in general, now in any of these cases, especially where words like in general, or in some cases or things of that nature are used you can always find an exception or part that is not 100% accurate but that is why I specify it as such. Again, if you ask me to produce said studies or readings in many cases I cannot because many times I read them and send them to the trash bin, a good example would be the one above on testosterone levels in aging men. Now a few months from now the subject might come up and I may add something like I've read a study on it and in some cases adding 30 lbs of weight can have the same effect on testosterone reduction as aging 10 yrs. Now you could ask where I read this and in most cases I wouldn't remember, this one I would because it is archived on a forum I am a member of. You could then argue that, that is not true because if that 30lbs was mostly muscle the effects would not be that great. In that case you would be 100% correct but I said as I usually do, in some cases.

The only reason I'm wasting your time with this is to make further discussions not as lengthy, besides, I am bored because I should be working out now but decided I should wait until I see the doctor tomorrow morning just in case. LOL

[Mydivorcegift]

Originally Posted by CFD

I am always reading and learning, it is not something new as a result of this thread. In fact most of what I offer here or in the weight loss threads have come from my readings. When I say I've seen a study or have read something it is because I have, when something is based on my own experience I always state it and when I make a comment like in general it is just that in general, now in any of these cases, especially where words like in general, or in some cases or things of that nature are used you can always find an exception or part that is not 100% accurate but that is why I specify it as such. Again, if you ask me to produce said studies or readings in many cases I cannot because many times I read them and send them to the trash bin, a good example would be the one above on testosterone levels in aging men. Now a few months from now the subject might come up and I may add something like I've read a study on it and in some cases adding 30 lbs of weight can have the same effect on testosterone reduction as aging 10 yrs. Now you could ask where I read this and in most cases I wouldn't remember, this one I would because it is archived on a forum I am a member of. You could then argue that, that is not true because if that 30lbs was mostly muscle the effects would not be that great. In that case you would be 100% correct but I said as I usually do, in some cases.

The only reason I'm wasting your time with this is to make further discussions not as lengthy, besides, I am bored because I should be working out now but decided I should wait until I see the doctor tomorrow morning just in case. LOL

Oh I love lengthy discussions! Its a way for me to pass the time in between workouts

[CFD]

Well then, I will do my best, so what would you like to discuss next?

[Mydivorcegift]

Originally Posted by CFD

Well then, I will do my best, so what would you like to discuss next?

When is your next Dr.'s appt?

[CFD]

Originally Posted by Mydivorcegift

When is your next Dr.'s appt?

tomorrow morning at 10:00 am.

I still don't believe my regular doctor is stumped as to what it is, it is still very obvious and I can feel very odd abnormalities all around that area and the scar from the original surgery is very puffy as well. I'm not in a panic but something is definitely not right.

[Mydivorcegift]

Originally Posted by CFD

tomorrow morning at 10:00 am.

I still don't believe my regular doctor is stumped as to what it is, it is still very obvious and I can feel very odd abnormalities all around that area and the scar from the original surgery is very puffy as well. I'm not in a panic but something is definitely not right.

I once questioned a doctor of how he missed a simple treatment of my wrist...he replied "that's why they call it practicing medicine".

Hope you get closure on it tomorrow and have a definite course of rehab and recovery.

I'm taking 1 more week off. This will make 3 weeks :(.

[tones2SS]

Originally Posted by CFD

tomorrow morning at 10:00 am.
I still don't believe my regular doctor is stumped as to what it is, it is still very obvious and I can feel very odd abnormalities all around that area and the scar from the original surgery is very puffy as well. I'm not in a panic but something is definitely not right.

Good luck man.