2014 Camaro Z/28 pricing announced at $75,000

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by Hennesseyrgv

Just one question. Unless i am wrong and already comes with. Why GM didnt addapt the idea of carbon fiber fenders and panels like the Z06 and Grand sport Corvette? This would of reduce some more weigth. Rigth now the way it is , in my opinion its still a heavy car.

Tooling costs can make CF prohibitive. It is very light but even newer processes that don't require an autoclave are still pricey for the volume.

Originally Posted by 2SSRS@Gen5diy

The carbon fiber fenders are heaver then the ones on the car now.

Where are you getting that data? CF weighs less than steel by a huge amount and even undercuts aluminum by a very large amount.

[TrackClub]

Originally Posted by Blueclyde

This car will be the fastest "factory" Camaro ever produced. It will deservingly carry the Z/28 monicker. It will be low volume with exotic pieces and lots of engineering time ($$). They said it would be fast and not for everyone. I understand people saying, "I can't justify the price" or something similar. That's totally fine. But really folks, let's stop with the "ZL1 plus...." or "1LE plus...." comments. Those are really irrelevant. This car will cost $75K and there will only be one Z/28. It will not be the fastest track Camaro in the world, but it will be the fastest one that can be purchased directly from GM.

Agree that officially this will be the fastest "factory" Camaro, according to the order sheet anyway.

But, will it be the fastest Camaro that can be purchased directly from GM? Well, if somebody puts both cars on the same rubber and Z28 beats the ZL1 fair and square, I will admit: it is the fastest factory Camaro. But not until then.

All the track comparisons between the 2 cars (Milford 2.87 seconds, Nurburgring est 10 seconds) have been heralded loudly, except for one important point: the tires.
In effect, ZL1 brought a knife to a gun fight. Tires are always a key factor at any track "game" and even in pro racing, there is a level playing field. But not here, unfortunately.

The "factory" makes the car, but they don't make the tires. Plus the tires are "consumables" especially on a track car. Besides I am sure a GM dealer will be delighted to take my money and sell me Z28 rims with Pirellis on them. I would expect the same response for those nice Recaro seats.

So technically, I could purchase a ZL1 (possible for $48,250, as a friend just got one), add the rims (est $6,000?) plus the seats (est $2,000?) and have the (possibly)fastest Camaro, directly from GM for $56,250. But let's round it up to $60,000 to be certain I am not sand-bagging my own expectations. As a value added bonus, we have gained some weight reductions: let's assume 100lb all in, which will make it even faster. Plus I still have an AC and stereo, fog lamps and other bits that got deleted from the Z28.

These simple and readily available enhancements could make the ZL1 if not actually faster, then likely as fast as the Z28 on a road course, straight from a GM dealership. And of course I am saving at least $15,000 (more if I shop aftermarket). This would also include already having a spare set of (original) rims and street tires to store the car on in winter (a necessity for any future Z28 owner living in a 4 seasons climate). Chock the savings up by another 2 or 3 grand minimum. Hence the current offer makes no sense to me.

[james347]

Originally Posted by Blueclyde

The Z/28 will be light years ahead of any Camaro ever produced. The price of entry for CC brakes, LS7, Multimatics, etc is about right at $75K.

Minus A/C, Navigation, Insulation, HID headlights and fog lights.

Well you do get One Speaker and a K&N air filter.

Yep. A real bargain.

Get a ZL1 or 1LE.

[Blueclyde]

Originally Posted by james347

Minus A/C, Navigation, Insulation, HID headlights and fog lights.

Well you do get One Speaker and a K&N air filter.

Yep. A real bargain.

Get a ZL1 or 1LE.

It's not meant to be a daily driver. It's attack car with exotic low volume engine and components. If you do not understand this then yes 1LE or ZL1 are your best choices.

[EnlighteningYou]

The z/28 doesn't have magnetic suspension either, something that was touted as the best most advanced suspension on earth, why doesn't the Z/28 have it? Is the Z/28's non magnetic suspension better?

[v8]

I guess around 70K US dollars so I was close, I wonder what one will run in Canada. The Canadian ZL1 MSRP was priced close to the US so we may get lucky.

[FISHTAIL]

Originally Posted by OldScoolCamaro

...sour grapes again for me here...GM got it ass backwards between the ZL1 and the Z/28...I know all the specs...., it's a long story and we know it to a T. No preaching needed. So be it, it is what it is. I am still bummed. Let me pout still.

Hey bud you got a sweet ride, I wouldn't worry about the Z28 too much. I felt the same way when the Zl1 came out. One thing I have learned over the years, is that if you chase technology you go broke.

DRIVE WHAT YOU CAN AFFORD AND ENJOY THE RIDE.

[TrackClub]

Originally Posted by Blueclyde

It's not meant to be a daily driver. It's attack car with exotic low volume engine and components. If you do not understand this then yes 1LE or ZL1 are your best choices.

What's exotic about an 8 year old z06 motor that makes less power then what's in the zl1? Also, exotic does not mean better or faster but always means MORE EXPENSIVE! I see no benefit in exotic whatoever if it reduces a z28 to 1500 copies, 36% price premium over zl1 and if not for the uber tires, not much (if any) performance edge.

[FISHTAIL]

I remember paying 22k for my brand new 1992 25th Anniversary Z28. The good old days!

[shawn18]

Originally Posted by TrackClub

What's exotic about an 8 year old z06 motor that makes less power then what's in the zl1? Also, exotic does not mean better or faster but always means MORE EXPENSIVE! I see no benefit in exotic whatoever if it reduces a z28 to 1500 copies, 36% price premium over zl1 and if not for the uber tires, not much (if any) performance edge.

^^ I couldn't have said it better. The reasons listed above are a lot of the problems I have had with this car and the price. It just doesn't make sense to me to price it so high and claim all of these measures have been made to make it , lighter,and faster. When in fact it hasn't been properly compared to ZL1. In which it may not be faster than or not by much on equal footing. To me there are just a lot of things that just doesn't make sense to me about this whole car.

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by FISHTAIL

I remember paying 22k for my brand new 1992 25th Anniversary Z28. The good old days!

Yeah the good old days....,

The Z28 version of the 1992 Chevy Camaro was built with performance in mind and an upgraded engine was part of that picture. While the standard 1992 Camaro is powered by a V6, the Z28 features a 5.0-liter V8 that delivers 205 horsepower, compared to the V6's 140. A five-speed manual overdrive transmission is standard, but a four-speed automatic overdrive was available as an option. The EPA rated the Z28 at 16 mpg city and 26 mpg highway with the manual and 16/25 with automatic.

[Blueclyde]

Originally Posted by TrackClub

What's exotic about an 8 year old z06 motor that makes less power then what's in the zl1? Also, exotic does not mean better or faster but always means MORE EXPENSIVE! I see no benefit in exotic whatoever if it reduces a z28 to 1500 copies, 36% price premium over zl1 and if not for the uber tires, not much (if any) performance edge.

Do some research on the LS7. It is well documented. It's hand built and therefore low volume.

Originally Posted by shawn18

^^ I couldn't have said it better. The reasons listed above are a lot of the problems I have had with this car and the price. It just doesn't make sense to me to price it so high and claim all of these measures have been made to make it , lighter,and faster. When in fact it hasn't been properly compared to ZL1. In which it may not be faster than or not by much on equal footing. To me there are just a lot of things that just doesn't make sense to me about this whole car.

When the Z/28 is complete and fully released the performance figures will speak for themselves. The comparisons will come once they are further along and I'm sure the gaps between the ZL1 will widen.

[Bad@ssCamaro]

Originally Posted by TrackClub

Agree that officially this will be the fastest "factory" Camaro, according to the order sheet anyway.

But, will it be the fastest Camaro that can be purchased directly from GM? Well, if somebody puts both cars on the same rubber and Z28 beats the ZL1 fair and square, I will admit: it is the fastest factory Camaro. But not until then.

All the track comparisons between the 2 cars (Milford 2.87 seconds, Nurburgring est 10 seconds) have been heralded loudly, except for one important point: the tires.
In effect, ZL1 brought a knife to a gun fight. Tires are always a key factor at any track "game" and even in pro racing, there is a level playing field. But not here, unfortunately.

The "factory" makes the car, but they don't make the tires. Plus the tires are "consumables" especially on a track car. Besides I am sure a GM dealer will be delighted to take my money and sell me Z28 rims with Pirellis on them. I would expect the same response for those nice Recaro seats.

So technically, I could purchase a ZL1 (possible for $48,250, as a friend just got one), add the rims (est $6,000?) plus the seats (est $2,000?) and have the (possibly)fastest Camaro, directly from GM for $56,250. But let's round it up to $60,000 to be certain I am not sand-bagging my own expectations. As a value added bonus, we have gained some weight reductions: let's assume 100lb all in, which will make it even faster. Plus I still have an AC and stereo, fog lamps and other bits that got deleted from the Z28.

These simple and readily available enhancements could make the ZL1 if not actually faster, then likely as fast as the Z28 on a road course, straight from a GM dealership. And of course I am saving at least $15,000 (more if I shop aftermarket). This would also include already having a spare set of (original) rims and street tires to store the car on in winter (a necessity for any future Z28 owner living in a 4 seasons climate). Chock the savings up by another 2 or 3 grand minimum. Hence the current offer makes no sense to me.

Sounds like you're contradicting yourself. First you mention the "fastest factory Camaro" then you're talking about buying a used ZL1, buying tires from a dealer (not from the Factory) and adding the Recaro seats (which have no impact on performance - other than how it holds you in when you're doing 1.08 g's) This kind of argument has been made before by plenty of ZL1 owners, mostly because their car is no longer "Top Dog" of the Camaro's(when it comes to the road course).

The only reason GM made a comparison to the ZL1 was to show how much more focused it is when it came to the twisties. The ZL1 is king in the department of overall capabilities, there is no denying that. But you insist on bringing up this issue with the tires, and yes, according to some people it might improve some of it's time on the Z/28, for a lap or two, but what happens when heat soak sets in, you didn't mention that? The Z/28 will be the master of the road course....for the Camaro Just wait until spring when all the magazine reviewers get a hold of one and then you'll know what the rest of us already know.

[AZCamaroFan]

the Z/28 is built for the track.

the ZL1 is built for roads.