2014 Camaro Z/28 pricing announced at $75,000

[TrackClub]

[QUOTE=Todd in Vancouver;7318813]Totally agree with you on the comparison and that the tires need to be the same for a fair race. But, they've made this the flagship Camaro so I really don't believe they will have engineered the Z28 slower than the ZL. I am also bias as I have a ZL but remember the Z28 track day was also wet so that beast is probably good for another 3-4 seconds off that time yet. You still don't have the CF brakes, extra ground effects, dry sump. When all is said and done you are going to be knocking on that $75K door. And don't forget a hand built 427 that has got to be in the $15K range.



Maybe not a bargain but it would be really tough to duplicate all the features of this car for that price. Yes you are right if we look at the history of the Z28 the current 1LE is probably really close to what the Z28 traditionally has been. But at the end of the day the 1LE is an awesome, affordable, track able car. Let the Z28 be the super track hero we want to have to kick the competitions butt.


When comparing the Ring time I've already adjusted the time from actual 4 seconds to 10 based on the dry track estimate for the z28 run. Not my estimate BTW. My whole point is that a ZL1 on Pirellis will kick ass equally well for 18Gs less. And if you can find one discounted like my friend did for 48 then a lot less than 18. Maybe that the car may not be duplicated for less, but why build one that doesn't clearly blow ZL1 away on track? Remember, this car is supposed to "blow much more expensive cars to kingdom-come". Will it blow away a cheaper ZL1? That's an 18 Gs question....

[Bad@ssCamaro]

Originally Posted by TrackClub

Who said I was taking about a USED ZL1?! I meant brand new ZL1. I purposly indicated I could get the rims, tires, seats from GM dealer, so technically the car came from GM. But yes, I could go to CCW for rims, Tirerack for tires and Recaro for seats and save some $. All these would result in weight savings hence better performance and likely the seats the most. BTW What heat sink are you refering to? Brakes?
Z06 motor is nothing "exotic". Yes it is hand built, so what? Yes it needs a dry sump. Speak to z06 owners whose engines went "boom" when tracking the car.
Any why less power when ZL1 has the best motor GM has produced ?
Anyhow, you seem to believe that the car will somehow sprout extra capabilities from what has been shown already. I do hope so, as at the current level I don't think its performance is that impressive at all. Exotic - yes. Performance - no.

"So technically, I could purchase a ZL1 (possible for $48,250, as a friend just got one)" My apologies, it just sounded like that, because for that price, it's generally used. I've never seen a brand new one go that low, is it a leftover '13?

The ZL1 motor is prone to heat soak (power loss) with the FI. A lot of owners make modifications to combat that. I never mentioned anything about the Z06 motor.

[TrackClub]

Originally Posted by Bad@ssCamaro

"So technically, I could purchase a ZL1 (possible for $48,250, as a friend just got one)" My apologies, it just sounded like that, because for that price, it's generally used. I've never seen a brand new one go that low, is it a leftover '13?

The ZL1 motor is prone to heat soak (power loss) with the FI. A lot of owners make modifications to combat that. I never mentioned anything about the Z06 motor.

Brand new 2014 off the lot 2 weeks b4 Xmas - I know a rare find but they are there Sorry I may have screwed up my replies re the Z06 motor LOL!
Motor heat soak - got it! Interesting as I haven't heard it from the ZR1 guys.
Thx for the info - appreciate it.

[Bad@ssCamaro]

Originally Posted by TrackClub

Maybe not a bargain but it would be really tough to duplicate all the features of this car for that price. Yes you are right if we look at the history of the Z28 the current 1LE is probably really close to what the Z28 traditionally has been. But at the end of the day the 1LE is an awesome, affordable, track able car. Let the Z28 be the super track hero we want to have to kick the competitions butt.


When comparing the Ring time I've already adjusted the time from actual 4 seconds to 10 based on the dry track estimate for the z28 run. Not my estimate BTW. My whole point is that a ZL1 on Pirellis will kick ass equally well for 18Gs less. And if you can find one discounted like my friend did for 48 then a lot less than 18. Maybe that the car may not be duplicated for less, but why build one that doesn't clearly blow ZL1 away on track? Remember, this car is supposed to "blow much more expensive cars to kingdom-come". Will it blow away a cheaper ZL1? That's an 18 Gs question....

Where are you getting this? GM's goal is to be able to keep up with the GT2's and GT3's, nothing about "blowing them away"...maybe a an older Boss302 or Challenger

[Bad@ssCamaro]

Originally Posted by TrackClub

Brand new 2014 off the lot 2 weeks b4 Xmas - I know a rare find but they are there Sorry I may have screwed up my replies re the Z06 motor LOL!
Motor heat soak - got it! Interesting as I haven't heard it from the ZR1 guys.
Thx for the info - appreciate it.

Always the best time to buy a car pretty awesome deal for your friend. No problemo on the info

[TrackClub]

Originally Posted by Bad@ssCamaro

Where are you getting this? GM's goal is to be able to keep up with the GT2's and GT3's, nothing about "blowing them away"...maybe a an older Boss302 or Challenger

Check this thread. Page 26 or a couple later. They way it read, it made an impression it came from somebody on a Camaro team? At least that's how I took it. Cheers!

[OldScoolCamaro]

...yes, I am happy I have a bad ass ride, and for the price it was brought in at. Those who have followed the recent past economic climate understand what transpired with GM, the Z/28 project, and the advent of the ZL1. Now enter the Z/28. Another GM engineering marvel......but, too many buts....questions, ponderings...druthers....

[Bad@ssCamaro]

Originally Posted by TrackClub

Check this thread. Page 26 or a couple later. They way it read, it made an impression it came from somebody on a Camaro team? At least that's how I took it. Cheers!

Ok, I found it, yes the Great Fbodfather said it, but I think he was inferring that. for the Z to keep up with those cars that are many times what the cost of the Z is, it will "blow" their minds (those being the manufacturer's)...at least that's what I got out of it.

[OldScoolCamaro]

...no doubt it's going to be a heart breaker and a life taker....to anyone who procures this ride, my hat's off to you!

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by the_fast_one

There were 30,548 z06 and 427 verts produced for the C6. Over 6k during the 2006 MY
so its not that low of volume engine. Anybody that ordered a z06 received one and also the 427 vert, no restriction on how many were built. Also liked to drop valves and chew up the motor.

Since the plant where they made the LS7's is supposed to close this month have you heard if they are moving the LS7 production to Bowling Green? If not where will they get a bunch of new LS7's?

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by STI_TO_SS?

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I think the issue is that people were wanting the "name". Those that wanted a 5Gen version of the 2Gen-4Gen Z28 are the most upset. They should consider a 1LE/SS as it fits that perfectly.
Just maybe they will get that Z28.

But... Still can't please everybody -
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I am not sure the 2014 Z/28 needed to target a very limited audience like the first Z/28. I think GM made a mistake. I also believe there may be more "lesser" Z/28's in the future to meet everyone's expectation, but why take the chance of alienating your biggest market first? I believe it is very clear many expected to have a shot at the "name". And I understand why as I consider myself part of the group. In many descriptions anticipating the car, almost no one seems to have a well-defined expectation of exactly what the Z/28 would be, but they did agree or "know" with certainty one thing: they would have one. By looking back at the history of the Z/28, I can choose to look at the whole rather than just the beginning. By looking at the whole, I saw a common element: the Camaro has always been a working mans car and the Z/28 was within the reach of many. This is the criteria which should have seen the marketing effort putting the name within the reach of many. The car "parts" would not have mattered so much that made up the car. Instead of a "party" for just a few at end of 5gen, we would have a party for most. Why not reward the faithful after all this time and especially after supporting 5gen in such a big way? Then, follow with the exclusives later...I have my Z/28, it just has the wrong name.

FYI, My quote as you mentioned also includes another forum members post.

I do agree with the expectations not being fulfilled by the many. I've even mentioned before that the Z/28 far exceeded my own. I believe this new Z/28 should be named "Z/28-R" as it fulfills that IMO. And I do agree with your final comment.

[Bad@ssCamaro]

Originally Posted by Angrybird 12

Since the plant where they made the LS7's is supposed to close this month have you heard if they are moving the LS7 production to Bowling Green? If not where will they get a bunch of new LS7's?

http://www.mlive.com/auto/index.ssf/...iced_at_7.html

GM’s 7.0-liter LS7 engine, which was adapted from the LS7 used in the C6 Corvette Z06. The engine -- SAE-certified 505 horsepower (376 kW) and 481 lb-ft of torque (652 Nm) -- will be built by hand at the new Performance Build Center within GM’s Bowling Green assembly plant.

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by Bad@ssCamaro

http://www.mlive.com/auto/index.ssf/...iced_at_7.html

GM’s 7.0-liter LS7 engine, which was adapted from the LS7 used in the C6 Corvette Z06. The engine -- SAE-certified 505 horsepower (376 kW) and 481 lb-ft of torque (652 Nm) -- will be built by hand at the new Performance Build Center within GM’s Bowling Green assembly plant.

Thanks, I had not seen that.

[the_fast_one]

Originally Posted by Angrybird 12

Since the plant where they made the LS7's is supposed to close this month have you heard if they are moving the LS7 production to Bowling Green? If not where will they get a bunch of new LS7's?

It's the internet so don't believe everything I read but
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wixom...e_Build_Center