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VADER SS L99 · 01-07-2014, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Fraxum

Actually there are quite a few of us that have tracked our Camaros. But it is very expensive to take your car on a road course at high speeds. And it can take a big toll on your car. AutoX is getting more popular and is much more inexpensive. So I would not characterize trackers as almost no one. Now that the 1LE is out there is quite a bit of tracking activity in the 1LE forum just like the Boss 302 forums.

The drag strip Test and Tune is the best deal of all so it is the most popular and the easiest to get started with. Every car enthusiast should experience the thrill of racing. It is the second most fun you can have in your car. No one today should be stupid enough to race in the street. It's not the 1960-70s any more. We were very, very stupid back then. Some of us didn't make it to see the 5th gen Camaro as well as some innocent bystanders and drivers.

Yes, I'm sure quite a few but the percentage difference between those who have raced in some sort of way in a straight line vs those who have been on a road course would be a STAGGERING difference. Again my statement was not directed to anyone who has actually raced their car on a road course.

WHAMMO · 01-08-2014, 01:32 AM

Its faster in a straight line, when everything else is equal, because of the weight ( solid rear axle is lighter and better at the drag strip). And how many SS you see with real drag wheels setup at the track? Not many because it costs a lot to buy wheels that clear the big brakes, unlike the tiny Mustang brakes.

Lets see what happens with the heavier new Mustang (75-100lbs is my guess) meets a LT1 16' Camaro that weights around 3600lbs. Its speculation, of course, but it sounds really realistic to me..

Unreal · 01-08-2014, 08:17 AM

New mustang is ~200lbs lighter than the old one. Who knows about the new camaro.

Fraxum · 01-08-2014, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by VADER SS L99

Yes, I'm sure quite a few but the percentage difference between those who have raced in some sort of way in a straight line vs those who have been on a road course would be a STAGGERING difference. Again my statement was not directed to anyone who has actually raced their car on a road course.

Yes we agree. I like how you use high emphasis words.

The other thing about good handling, it makes your car more fun to drive every day, even if you never track it. The Camaro because of its ultra stiff chassis and more advanced suspension do give some advantage to the Camaro. But it also feels big, has awful visibility, and the weight is noticeable along with sloppy bushing compliance to dull the effect. The Mustang being lighter feels more tossable and sounds better doing it. Also it has a rough edge to it that is satisfying to tame. So even though a 1LE may outrun most Mustangs on a road track, it is meaningless in every day driving to your point. Both are fun to drive. Handling, like most comparisons between the two cars is a wash, with each having only slight advantages over the other.

But please people, don't race on the street.

Fraxum · 01-08-2014, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Unreal

New mustang is ~200lbs lighter than the old one. Who knows about the new camaro.

Did Ford say this yet? Many doubters here.

big hammer · 01-08-2014, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Unreal

New mustang is ~200lbs lighter than the old one. Who knows about the new camaro.

word is that it's as heavy or heavier. a lot of the rumoured weight loss was supposed to come from the car dramatically shrinking in size, but it didn't at all.

EnlighteningYou · 01-08-2014, 09:10 AM

All you guys are doing is speculating, no weight figured out yet. Although I see people are hoping the mustang is heavy, I wonder why that is?

Unreal · 01-08-2014, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Fraxum

Did Ford say this yet? Many doubters here.

Ford hasn't said much of anything besides it was faster than the old boss 302. No one even knows power numbers but the high lift/duration cams, better heads, better pistons/rods/crank, etc should add a bit. Rumors going around that the 5.0 will be 450-470hp which is believable with the modifications they have done. Would be interesting if the 5.0 squeaks out more power than the LT1.

72MachOne99GT · 01-08-2014, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Unreal

Ford hasn't said much of anything besides it was faster than the old boss 302. No one even knows power numbers but the high lift/duration cams, better heads, better pistons/rods/crank, etc should add a bit. Rumors going around that the 5.0 will be 450-470hp which is believable with the modifications they have done. Would be interesting if the 5.0 squeaks out more power than the LT1.

I think after direct injection (whenever that happens) it's going to be closer to the LS7 numbers, but probably a 'peakier' set of curves.

Camaro Dude · 01-08-2014, 12:49 PM

I'll wager a slight power bump with no sacrifice in fuel economy(latter most significant thing), and a weight savings diet equal to what many of you on here are probably capable of anyways, and yes I'm talking your body

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digdeep0169 · 01-08-2014, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by RollaMo

Ford has their own version (Cobra Jet), that is every bit the equal of the COPO Camaro.
Yeah it seems that one Cobra Jet has posted a runs in the 7's.

geez loueez! those are some HUGE tires out back!! why the overkill??

TSSUNAMI · 01-08-2014, 03:19 PM

Does it really matter?

How many Mustangs/Camaros/Challengers even remain stock? Chances are they'll be modded at some point, and whoever has the deepest pockets wins. (As long as they know how to drive)

All boils down to that, really. There's always someone out there who is faster.

Camaro Dude · 01-08-2014, 09:11 PM

DING! DING! DING! DING!^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^DING! DING! DING! DING!

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Originally Posted by TSSUNAMI

Does it really matter?

How many Mustangs/Camaros/Challengers even remain stock? Chances are they'll be modded at some point, and whoever has the deepest pockets wins. (As long as they know how to drive)

All boils down to that, really. There's always someone out there who is faster.

If this thread doesn't end with the most remarkable statement on this topic I've ever read in such few words,.......

Dude, IMHO, you just single handedly ruuuuuuined just about every post in this thread including mine.

Nice job

Fraxum · 01-08-2014, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Camaro Dude

DING! DING! DING! DING!^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^DING! DING! DING! DING!
If this thread doesn't end with the most remarkable statement on this topic I've ever read in such few words,.......

Dude, IMHO, you just single handedly ruuuuuuined just about every post in this thread including mine.

Nice job

I think the debate will rage on. There is no way to settle the question once and for all. But it is more fun to race than discuss.

01-08-2014, 01:32 AM	#128
WHAMMO Drives: 13' 1LE Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 2,653	Its faster in a straight line, when everything else is equal, because of the weight ( solid rear axle is lighter and better at the drag strip). And how many SS you see with real drag wheels setup at the track? Not many because it costs a lot to buy wheels that clear the big brakes, unlike the tiny Mustang brakes. Lets see what happens with the heavier new Mustang (75-100lbs is my guess) meets a LT1 16' Camaro that weights around 3600lbs. Its speculation, of course, but it sounds really realistic to me.. __________________ 13' 1LE Old setup: TSP 231-236/Tick 660/.105 PR, UDP, SW LT 2'' & HFC, stock NPP & H pipe, VR-DRX CAI, air scoop, Goertz1 manifold, 102mm BBK, 26" Toyo DRs, Forgestars R17x10 & F18x8, rear seat delete, remote Pat G tune Autocal, 7400 limiter, Spec Mini Twin. 91oct. 11.90@122.3, 0-60ft 2.0 / 11.99@123.6, 0-60ft 2.1 DA+819 ...519RWHP SAE Solid roller SBE LS3, FED, LLSR, 91oct, 605rwhp N/A. Tuned by Pat G. Build by me.

01-08-2014, 08:17 AM	#129
Unreal Drives: 2006 Z06 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 5,712	New mustang is ~200lbs lighter than the old one. Who knows about the new camaro. __________________ Nick Corvette Z06 -1200ish rwhp

01-08-2014, 03:19 PM	#138
TSSUNAMI It was ninety nine cents! Drives: 2014 Jeep Wrangler Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Syracuse, NY Posts: 1,714 View My Garage	Does it really matter? How many Mustangs/Camaros/Challengers even remain stock? Chances are they'll be modded at some point, and whoever has the deepest pockets wins. (As long as they know how to drive) All boils down to that, really. There's always someone out there who is faster. __________________ My Build Thread

01-08-2014, 09:10 AM	#133
EnlighteningYou Drives: 2012 Camaro SS/RS Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Nashville Posts: 72	All you guys are doing is speculating, no weight figured out yet. Although I see people are hoping the mustang is heavy, I wonder why that is?

01-08-2014, 12:49 PM	#136
Camaro Dude Drives: ‘13 1LE Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Earth Posts: 3,904	I'll wager a slight power bump with no sacrifice in fuel economy(latter most significant thing), and a weight savings diet equal to what many of you on here are probably capable of anyways, and yes I'm talking your body .