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[DarkwingT]

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[2012 Mustang GT]

Originally Posted by big hammer

word is that it's as heavy or heavier. a lot of the rumoured weight loss was supposed to come from the car dramatically shrinking in size, but it didn't at all.

I just like how you guys think that once they throw the V8 and all the garbage into the 2016 Camaro its going to weigh as much as a V6 Caddy

[Firefighter]

Originally Posted by 2012 Mustang GT

I just like how you guys think that once they throw the V8 and all the garbage into the 2016 Camaro its going to weigh as much as a V6 Caddy

Just as an FYI unlike the Coyote motor the LSx and new LT1 motors weigh in about what an average V6 does/did.

I know at one point I was going to do an S10 LS swap and the 4.3L V6 weighed about 10 lbs more than an LS1.

That Coyote motor with all the cams and 50 feet of timing chain has got to weigh a metric shitton.

Most of us are aware it will weigh more than an ATS. It will weigh less than a 5th gen Camaro though. It will most likely weigh less than the new Stang too.

All of this is speculation albeit educated speculation but speculation all the same.

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[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by Firefighter

Just as an FYI unlike the Coyote motor the LSx and new LT1 motors weigh in about what an average V6 does/did.

I know at one point I was going to do an S10 LS swap and the 4.3L V6 weighed about 10 lbs more than an LS1.

That Coyote motor with all the cams and 50 feet of timing chain has got to weigh a metric shitton.

Most of us are aware it will weigh more than an ATS. It will weigh less than a 5th gen Camaro though. It will most likely weigh less than the new Stang too.

All of this is speculation albeit educated speculation but speculation all the same.

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The LS3 crate engine is ~415 lbs and once you add everything to make it run it is around 460 lbs. The version that goes in the C6 GS is 466 lbs.

The LFX V6 in the Camaro is ~345 lbs. That's a pretty big difference to me.

[Camaro Dude]

As long as the weight in the Camaro is for structural integrity and tank like feel, quite frankly I'm all for a lil' weight.

[Firefighter]

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

The LS3 crate engine is ~415 lbs and once you add everything to make it run it is around 460 lbs. The version that goes in the C6 GS is 466 lbs.

The LFX V6 in the Camaro is ~345 lbs. That's a pretty big difference to me.

Just looked it up the stripped weight of the Coyote is 430 the LS3 was sited as being 400. So then we are talking 100 lbs more than the V6. And like I said most of us realize it should weigh more than the ATS. Remember this too most Chevy's have less crap inside them than your typical Caddy.

Fact is what we know about so far about the new Camaro is that it is starting out fundamentally lighter than the new Mustang. The Alpha chassis is lighter that the 5th gens Zeta chassis. The mustang appears to have gained weight or at the best broke even with the current Stang.



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[GretchenGotGrowl]

Originally Posted by Firefighter

Just looked it up the stripped weight of the Coyote is 430 the LS3 was sited as being 400. So then we are talking 100 lbs more than the V6. And like I said most of us realize it should weigh more than the ATS. Remember this too most Chevy's have less crap inside them than your typical Caddy.

Fact is what we know about so far about the new Camaro is that it is starting out fundamentally lighter than the new Mustang. The Alpha chassis is lighter that the 5th gens Zeta chassis. The mustang appears to have gained weight or at the best broke even with the current Stang.



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Agreed! I keep seeing widely varying estimates for the LT-1 weight, but that will factor in. I would think it won't be heavier than the LS3, so I'm hoping that's the V8 and that we will see some good overall weight reductions. Maybe heavier than the ATS with the LFX and 2WD, but not a whole lot more.

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by Unreal

New mustang is ~200lbs lighter than the old one. Who knows about the new camaro.

Nobody has a clue about the Mustang either. But many believe comparing GT to GT with same trim and whatnot, that it likely didn't lose that much weight, and possibly could have gained weight.

Originally Posted by Unreal

Ford hasn't said much of anything besides it was faster than the old boss 302. No one even knows power numbers but the high lift/duration cams, better heads, better pistons/rods/crank, etc should add a bit. Rumors going around that the 5.0 will be 450-470hp which is believable with the modifications they have done. Would be interesting if the 5.0 squeaks out more power than the LT1.

I have no doubt it could be faster than the old boss 302 around a track. Look at the much heavier Camaro 1LE, which also woops it at the track. The new suspension if done right, will make it that much better at the track, but that doesn't mean the Mustang lost any weight either.

Also, that 5.0 might match HP of the LT1, but so many of you forget about the fantastic torque curve the LT1 has, which the 5.0 will definitey NOT match.

Originally Posted by 2012 Mustang GT

I just like how you guys think that once they throw the V8 and all the garbage into the 2016 Camaro its going to weigh as much as a V6 Caddy

What V6 Caddy are you talking about? If your talking ATS...nobody has said that. If you are talking CTS...then yes its perfectly doable. If they use the same chasis the ATS is riding on, there is no reason to think the Camaro V6 couldn't weigh 3,400 lbs. Add 100 - 150 lbs worth of stuff to make it V8 ready (engine, brakes, driveline) and now you have a car in the 3,500 lb range...low 3,600 tops....WHICH is what the base CTS V6 weighs. (Its on the longer wheelbase version of the Alpha chasis which the ATS rides on)

So again...I see nothing wrong with saying that. You are mistaken if you think the next gen Camaro V8 couldn't end up in that weight range.

[VADER SS L99]

The V6 ATS is 3461lbs so I don't see any reason why a V8 Camaro on the same chassis can't be right around 3600lbs. I actually think the Mustang GT might gain weight after looking at the dimensions and knowing what they are adding. Those who think the GT is going to lose 200lbs with the car as big as it is might be pretty disappointed. That would mean the GT would be at Vette weight. The situation with the Mustang reminds me of the C7. GM promises to shed weight on the C7......Corvette fans read the spec sheet....."ohh look, the C7 lost 150lbs ....but gained 240lbs in other stuff"

[WHAMMO]

Originally Posted by Unreal

New mustang is ~200lbs lighter than the old one. Who knows about the new camaro.

The word is the 4cyl will be 200lbs lighter than the last heaviest Mustang.

Originally Posted by big hammer

word is that it's as heavy or heavier. a lot of the rumoured weight loss was supposed to come from the car dramatically shrinking in size, but it didn't at all.

Originally Posted by EnlighteningYou

All you guys are doing is speculating, no weight figured out yet. Although I see people are hoping the mustang is heavy, I wonder why that is?

Not hoping anything, its just common sense: IRS is heavier. They could use a lot a fancy materiel to make it lighter, but at what cost? Its not like they can charge 50K for a Mustang GT. Plus it will have bigger brakes too..

My guess is it will be 100lbs heavier, but the extra power will overcome that. This gen of Mustang will perform very close to a Boss IMO.

If the new GT is 200lbs lighter than the las gen, sign me in. But why no word on the weight yet? Because its heavier, I think

Remember the Z28 that was supposed to be 300lbs lighter? ..You know the story now.
GM guys will be lucky if the 16' Camaro is the same weight as the new Mustang. At least we will have the superb LT1.

[EnlighteningYou]

Originally Posted by WHAMMO

The word is the 4cyl will be 200lbs lighter than the last heaviest Mustang.






Not hoping anything, its just common sense: IRS is heavier. They could use a lot a fancy materiel to make it lighter, but at what cost? Its not like they can charge 50K for a Mustang GT. Plus it will have bigger brakes too..

My guess is it will be 100lbs heavier, but the extra power will overcome that. This gen of Mustang will perform very close to a Boss IMO.

If the new GT is 200lbs lighter than the las gen, sign me in. But why no word on the weight yet? Because its heavier, I think

Remember the Z28 that was supposed to be 300lbs lighter? ..You know the story now.
GM guys will be lucky if the 16' Camaro is the same weight as the new Mustang. At least we will have the superb LT1.

I am not going to say anything either way as it would be just speculation, but since you're so confident I guess I will save your quote for later and maybe if you're accurate you can rub it in everyones face

[WHAMMO]

Originally Posted by EnlighteningYou

I am not going to say anything either way as it would be just speculation, but since you're so confident I guess I will save your quote for later and maybe if you're accurate you can rub it in everyones face

Cool, I dont mind

[CobraBall]

Originally Posted by MYDLIFECRISIS

Not sure why it makes you cringe or laugh...the Camaro was built for the turns. As I stated in my earlier comment, from my experience only, I've beaten them both on curvy roads. And they've beaten me in a straight line about half the time. Driver and launch playing a huge role in the drags. I love my car, and just because a 5.0 or SRT8 is faster 0-60 and in the 1/4 on paper, I would never own either one. No fanboy here, just a diehard Camaro guy.

I think his point is that out of all the people that yammer on about how great the Camaro and/or Mustang supposedly is on a curvy road, maybe 1% have actually stepped foot on a road course before.

There's a bit of truth to that as well. I know when we were developing the Boss 302, we projected that less than 10% of owners would actually track them. I suspect the percentage is far less for the more pedestrian models.

You are mistaken if you think the next gen Camaro V8 couldn't end up in that weight range.

With all of the new gadgets and safety standards, I think you're being a tad optimistic if you think the next gen Camaro is going to drop a significant amount of weight.

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