Throw reductions for Short Throw Shifters - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

Klepton · 01-26-2014, 04:49 PM

In my research looking for the best Short Throw Shifter (STS) for 5th Gen Camaros, I came across the following information:

-- The SLP short throw shifter provides a 20% throw reduction

-- The Pfadt Überleicht short throw shifter provides a 20% throw reduction * No longer in production

-- The OEM/factory Hurst short throw shifter provides a 22% throw reduction

-- The ZL1 short throw shifter provides a 22% throw reduction (replaces entire assembly)

-- The MTI Six Shooter short throw shifter provides a 25% throw reduction

-- The LG Motorsports short throw shifter provides over 25% throw reduction

-- The LSR Tri-Ax short throw shifter provides an adjustable throw reduction from 20% to 33%

-- The MGW short throw shifter provides a 33% throw reduction (replaces entire assemby)

-- The TWM short throw shifter provides a 40% throw reduction (provides option for replacing shifter only or entire assembly)

-- The Bowler short throw shifter provides a 44% throw reduction

-- The aftermarket Hurst short throw shifter provides a 44% throw reduction

-- The Lingenfelter short throw shifter provides a 44% throw reduction

-- The Barton short throw shifter provides a 46% throw reduction

Since it took me a lot of time to find this out while reading different threads and websites, I'm hoping that having it in one centralized location will help other C5ers in their search for the SST that might be best suited for them. If you have anything to add, whether a correction on the posted numbers or a SST not on this list, let me know and I will make the necessary updates.

jonathanmoguel · 01-26-2014, 09:39 PM

I have the slp short throw shifter. I like the 20% reduction. especially from 3 to 4th.

I tried the hurst shifter on a other Camaro and the 44% reduction is really short for me. I think the hurst would be perfect for road racing because you can push the lever faster, but idk its more of a personal taste.

both felt solid no slack when moving the shifter when its in gear.
they both feel heavier to throw compared to the stock one.

the slp is a nice quality piece. the low price is really worth it for what the shifter provides.

SomeGeoffGuy · 01-27-2014, 10:37 AM

The GM ZL1 is different from the Hurst that you could get as a dealer installed option too. It is a little confusing the way you have it listed.

I wouldn't get caught up in throw reductions. The ZL1 shifter was designed by the GM drivers and development engineers that developed the ZL1. They wanted to optimize the racing experience. They could have made any ratio they wanted, but they knew that shorter isn't always better. If the throw is too short, you don't always shift up and over, sometimes you just shift up - especially on the 2-3 and 4-5. The ZL1 optimizes those shifts in particular.

-Geoff

Klepton · 01-27-2014, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by SomeGeoffGuy

The GM ZL1 is different from the Hurst that you could get as a dealer installed option too. It is a little confusing the way you have it listed.

I wouldn't get caught up in throw reductions. The ZL1 shifter was designed by the GM drivers and development engineers that developed the ZL1. They wanted to optimize the racing experience. They could have made any ratio they wanted, but they knew that shorter isn't always better. If the throw is too short, you don't always shift up and over, sometimes you just shift up - especially on the 2-3 and 4-5. The ZL1 optimizes those shifts in particular.

-Geoff

Ok, I'm just going based on not only speculation I read on several threads/posts but also on what a GM parts dealer told me directly. He said the ZL1 Shifter is the same as the 2013+ OEM/Factory Hurst Short Throw Shifter. I can certainly correct it if it is not true. Do you know the exact short throw reduction of the ZL1 Shifter so I can list it separately?

SomeGeoffGuy · 01-27-2014, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Klepton

Ok, I'm just going based on not only speculation I read on several threads/posts but also on what a GM parts dealer told me directly. He said the ZL1 Shifter is the same as the 2013+ OEM/Factory Hurst Short Throw Shifter. I can certainly correct it if it is not true. Do you know the exact short throw reduction of the ZL1 Shifter so I can list it separately?

I believe it is 9%. It is definitely different from any Hurst offerings too.

-Geoff

Klepton · 01-27-2014, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SomeGeoffGuy

I believe it is 9%. It is definitely different from any Hurst offerings too.

-Geoff

9% seems way too little of a reduction.

Drottie · 01-27-2014, 07:35 PM

I installed a Hurst short throw shifter into my '10 coupe, when we traded for a 'vert I left it in because the vert had the factory hurst. The aftermarket unit was definitely shorter and I preferred the feel better. A good friend has a MGW in his C6 and after driving it, I'm sold. The feel is even better than what I remember the other Hurst being. Positive, quick shifts. very nice.

SomeGeoffGuy · 01-27-2014, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Klepton

9% seems way too little of a reduction.

Maybe the Hurst is for you then.

-Geoff

Klepton · 01-27-2014, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SomeGeoffGuy

Maybe the Hurst is for you then.

-Geoff

What I meant was that 9% seems too low of a reduction for the ZL1 shifter (or any other Short Throw Shifter, for that matter). From what I gathered, the ZL1 Shifter has a 22% throw reduction, just like the OEM/Factory Hurst SST does. I drove someone's 2012 SS with a factory Hurst and I liked the reduction. Personally, I don't want any more than that.

However, this thread is not about what SST I'm getting. I've done my research and have already ordered what I think will be best for me. This is supposed to be an informational thread regarding the different throw reductions offered by the SSTs available for our cars.

JCunningham · 01-28-2014, 12:45 AM

TWM is 40% http://www.twmperformance.com/shorts...rtshifters.htm

Klepton · 01-28-2014, 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by JCunningham

TWM is 40% http://www.twmperformance.com/shorts...rtshifters.htm

blake-b · 01-28-2014, 03:33 AM

As a side note, The TWM and MGW are the only ones listed that replace the ENTIRE shifter assembly and not just the stick and a few other parts.

I have the MGW and love it.

caverman · 01-28-2014, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by blake-b

As a side note, The TWM and MGW are the only ones listed that replace the ENTIRE shifter assembly and not just the stick and a few other parts.

I have the MGW and love it.

Going sole based on the short TWM video on their web site it looks to me like it doesn't have the same type of spring loaded action as the MGW does.

MGW is the way to go IMO.

Deezee · 01-28-2014, 08:57 AM

Ok, I bought my 13 SS with the gm "hurst style" installed. I didn't want it as I was going to replace it anyways, but it was the ONLY option I didn't want on the car I found so I bought it. I test drove an SS with the standard shifter and it was HORIBLE! Then when my SS was delivered the hurst style was better, but not by much. Still very spundgy and the gates weren't very positive. The throw was also still too long. I had the MGW in my C6 Vette and I LOVED it. I was pretty sure I was going to buy it for this car too, but I liked the flat stick style of the Barton. I also like the slight angle towards the driver. Since it was even shorter than the MGW I figured I'd give it a try. I like the Barton even better. They are very close in feel, so it just boils down to style. Pick between those two based on the style you like better. Both are very firm, the gears are very gated, and the throws are short. Any other shifter seems like a waste to me. But I like the notchy feel in my cars. Damn sure wont miss a shift. The stock SS shifter, and even the gm short throw feel like driving a dump truck!! Lol.

01-26-2014, 04:49 PM	#1
Klepton Drives: 2011 2SS/RS, LS3, SW w/ IOM package Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 310 View My Garage	Throw reductions for Short Throw Shifters In my research looking for the best Short Throw Shifter (STS) for 5th Gen Camaros, I came across the following information: -- The SLP short throw shifter provides a 20% throw reduction -- The Pfadt Überleicht short throw shifter provides a 20% throw reduction * No longer in production -- The OEM/factory Hurst short throw shifter provides a 22% throw reduction -- The ZL1 short throw shifter provides a 22% throw reduction (replaces entire assembly) -- The MTI Six Shooter short throw shifter provides a 25% throw reduction -- The LG Motorsports short throw shifter provides over 25% throw reduction -- The LSR Tri-Ax short throw shifter provides an adjustable throw reduction from 20% to 33% -- The MGW short throw shifter provides a 33% throw reduction (replaces entire assemby) -- The TWM short throw shifter provides a 40% throw reduction (provides option for replacing shifter only or entire assembly) -- The Bowler short throw shifter provides a 44% throw reduction -- The aftermarket Hurst short throw shifter provides a 44% throw reduction -- The Lingenfelter short throw shifter provides a 44% throw reduction -- The Barton short throw shifter provides a 46% throw reduction Since it took me a lot of time to find this out while reading different threads and websites, I'm hoping that having it in one centralized location will help other C5ers in their search for the SST that might be best suited for them. If you have anything to add, whether a correction on the posted numbers or a SST not on this list, let me know and I will make the necessary updates. Last edited by Klepton; 03-07-2014 at 02:27 PM. Reason: Updated Pfadt entry on 3/7/2014; Added TWM shifter on 1/28/2014; Added Lingenfelter shifter on 1/27/2014;

01-26-2014, 09:39 PM	#2
jonathanmoguel MM.CC Drives: 2010 Camaro 2SS LS3 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Wilmington/Lomita, CA Posts: 281 View My Garage	I have the slp short throw shifter. I like the 20% reduction. especially from 3 to 4th. I tried the hurst shifter on a other Camaro and the 44% reduction is really short for me. I think the hurst would be perfect for road racing because you can push the lever faster, but idk its more of a personal taste. both felt solid no slack when moving the shifter when its in gear. they both feel heavier to throw compared to the stock one. the slp is a nice quality piece. the low price is really worth it for what the shifter provides. __________________ 2010 camaro ss: Volant cold air intake, BBK Shorty Headers, JBA offroad midpipes, Diablosport tuned (custom tune), SLP II loudmouth axleback, ZL1 Short shifter, nitrous outlet wet "100 shot"

01-27-2014, 10:37 AM	#3
SomeGeoffGuy Drives: 2023 2SS Convertible Join Date: May 2009 Location: Metro Detroit Posts: 1,171	The GM ZL1 is different from the Hurst that you could get as a dealer installed option too. It is a little confusing the way you have it listed. I wouldn't get caught up in throw reductions. The ZL1 shifter was designed by the GM drivers and development engineers that developed the ZL1. They wanted to optimize the racing experience. They could have made any ratio they wanted, but they knew that shorter isn't always better. If the throw is too short, you don't always shift up and over, sometimes you just shift up - especially on the 2-3 and 4-5. The ZL1 optimizes those shifts in particular. -Geoff __________________ '12 2SS RS Convertible - Traded in. '16 2SS Convertible - White on white, mag-ride, NPP, nav. Sold! '23 2SS Convertible -Same as above except orange.

01-27-2014, 07:35 PM	#7
Drottie Drives: 2011 Camaro SS Convertible in VR Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Edwardsville, IL Posts: 240	I installed a Hurst short throw shifter into my '10 coupe, when we traded for a 'vert I left it in because the vert had the factory hurst. The aftermarket unit was definitely shorter and I preferred the feel better. A good friend has a MGW in his C6 and after driving it, I'm sold. The feel is even better than what I remember the other Hurst being. Positive, quick shifts. very nice. __________________ SICC, Southern Illinois Camaro Club On Facebook 2011 SS/RS LS3/M6 convertible Victory Red, Black top w/Nightshades 1LE graphics Whipple 2.9L with 3.875" pulley CBI ESAD cam with Tooley springs ADM fuel with ID850 injectors DSX Tune MGW shifter 20" TSW Nurbering 275/315 Nitto NT05 Carlyle Performance 15" kit with Pfadt solid subframe inserts C.A.I. cold air intake SLP LT headers, 3" exhaust, no cats, x-pipe ZL1 dual mode mufflers Lighting controlled by NightOwl 2010 SS/RS LS3 - SOLD- #15,852 build date 06/05/2009 CGM w/flat black stripes

01-28-2014, 12:45 AM	#10
JCunningham Drives: 2017 2SS M6 Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: WNY Posts: 7,069	TWM is 40% http://www.twmperformance.com/shorts...rtshifters.htm __________________ real ZL1 wheels and brakes, 285/305 Michelin Pilot Super Sports, Pray ported Intake manifold, Soler Throttle Body, Rotofab intake, EFI Tuning Flex fuel kit, full American Racing Headers Exhaust, 1 7/8" w/ cats H pipe and mufflers. Full 1LE suspension, with BMR adjustable sway bars and links, GM aluminum cradle bushings, Hurst shifter with lighter reverse spring, TWM shifter knob, Tick level 1 transmission. I should have bought a ZL1

01-28-2014, 03:33 AM	#12
blake-b Drives: 2009 ZR1 Join Date: May 2010 Location: KCMO Posts: 3,205	As a side note, The TWM and MGW are the only ones listed that replace the ENTIRE shifter assembly and not just the stick and a few other parts. I have the MGW and love it.

01-28-2014, 08:57 AM	#14
Deezee Drives: 2013 SS/RS Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 482	Ok, I bought my 13 SS with the gm "hurst style" installed. I didn't want it as I was going to replace it anyways, but it was the ONLY option I didn't want on the car I found so I bought it. I test drove an SS with the standard shifter and it was HORIBLE! Then when my SS was delivered the hurst style was better, but not by much. Still very spundgy and the gates weren't very positive. The throw was also still too long. I had the MGW in my C6 Vette and I LOVED it. I was pretty sure I was going to buy it for this car too, but I liked the flat stick style of the Barton. I also like the slight angle towards the driver. Since it was even shorter than the MGW I figured I'd give it a try. I like the Barton even better. They are very close in feel, so it just boils down to style. Pick between those two based on the style you like better. Both are very firm, the gears are very gated, and the throws are short. Any other shifter seems like a waste to me. But I like the notchy feel in my cars. Damn sure wont miss a shift. The stock SS shifter, and even the gm short throw feel like driving a dump truck!! Lol.