Dyno tune vs email. Comparison

[nyny69]

I'll throw in my 2 cents. I lived off of email tunes for 3 years. I logged track passes. I used WB. I also had tuner at track with a group of us or on 1 occasion personally in vehicle. Guess what, my tune was still off. I was running lean with too much timing and knock. I did whatever I was asked. Maybe its OK for basic boltons but I have FI and it didn't work out for me.

Now fast forward. I am now street and dynoed tuned. No more problems. That speaks volumes to me.

[1KillerSS]

did the same guy tune both email and inperson?

i was not meaning to say that email is the best way to go just that people dont realize for STREET applications that you can really benifit from it. i was just trying to say that email tuning is good for bolt on street application mods...at least is is for me

anything other than bolt ons and i want a in person tune

[sting808]

Originally Posted by axis

FI is another story. IMO, EVERYONE that has FI should have a wideband. It's just added insurance. Not too many NA guys are running around with wideband though. There's just not as much of a need for one, unless you just want one. Doing ALL your tuning via email only for FI is just asking for trouble. While it can and has been done, it's MUCH safer to do with a wideband installed and on a dyno so you can see what's going on every step of the way. It doesn't take much to turn a $7-8k FI install into a $$$$$ total engine rebuild. A handheld isn't going to tell you that. HP tuners or EFI live absolutely will and is what i'd be rocking if I were in HI and didn't trust any of the shops.

I had HP Tuner before my handheld. My feeling is if you have LTs, get'em with bung's already installed and plug them for wideband later. I've always logged in HPT since SCT software/firmware sucked in 2011, but that's another story.

My car is not a test bed for OJT.

[nyny69]

Originally Posted by 1KillerSS

did the same guy tune both email and inperson?

i was not meaning to say that email is the best way to go just that people dont realize for STREET applications that you can really benifit from it. i was just trying to say that email tuning is good for bolt on street application mods...at least is is for me

anything other than bolt ons and i want a in person tune

Yes. It was handled by 1 shop whether thru email or in person until recently.

Email tunes have there place. I'll just say its extremely important that you have person doing the tuning undivided attention if your FI.

[axis]

Originally Posted by 1KillerSS

did the same guy tune both email and inperson?

i was not meaning to say that email is the best way to go just that people dont realize for STREET applications that you can really benifit from it. i was just trying to say that email tuning is good for bolt on street application mods...at least is is for me

anything other than bolt ons and i want a in person tune

Yes it was and if you look at his sig, you'll figure out who it was.

The problem is, unless you've done both to the same car, you don't really know what you're missing. A semi custom email tune will make your car feel much different and better than the OEM one. There's no denying that, but getting it perfect on a dyno is even better. That is the whole point to this thread. If you have no other choices, then you gotta do what you feel like you gotta do. If you have the option to get a GOOD dyno tune from a reputable shop, that is the better option.

[1KillerSS]

please let me clarity for everybody else about what i mean to say

for bolt on mods in street applications i believe that email tuning or "remote" tuning can be a great bang for your buck.

[nyny69]

Originally Posted by 1KillerSS

please let me clarity for everybody else about what i mean to say

for bolt on mods in street applications i believe that email tuning or "remote" tuning can be a great bang for your buck.

And all im saying is learn from us that made mistakes. Im not directing yhis towards you personally. The whole in general.

There are tuners on this forum that have had sucess doing remote tunes on FI. But they also have ccertain critera and parameters that need to be met before entertaining a remote tune.

I wasn't lucky with my remote. It was 1 and done.

[JANNETTYRACING]

Originally Posted by nyny69

I'll throw in my 2 cents. I lived off of email tunes for 3 years. I logged track passes. I used WB. I also had tuner at track with a group of us or on 1 occasion personally in vehicle. Guess what, my tune was still off. I was running lean with too much timing and knock. I did whatever I was asked. Maybe its OK for basic boltons but I have FI and it didn't work out for me.

Now fast forward. I am now street and dynoed tuned. No more problems. That speaks volumes to me.

Says your new tuner, Your wide band never said you were running lean and I addressed your knock issues and you reported how happy you were that we no longer had any knock.

Your car was very fast and reliable and got good mileage for the minimal mods.

We will see when you go back to the track even though it is not a back to back comparison since you are now running a smaller pulley and meth injection.

Seems your only reason for posting lately it to try and chop down my Rep.

I have Several 6-800 RWHP Cars running some impressive times via JRE Remote Email Tuning just look around.

1 example 12 Camaro stock long block LS3 JRE Whipple JRE cam headers 4l80 3.91 on Drag Radials 10.04 140.25.

He drives it 130 miles each way to the track.

And Won the Event.

He Logs it I tune it and Yes he has a wide band.

Ted.

[JANNETTYRACING]

Originally Posted by axis

Yes it was and if you look at his sig, you'll figure out who it was.

The problem is, unless you've done both to the same car, you don't really know what you're missing. A semi custom email tune will make your car feel much different and better than the OEM one. There's no denying that, but getting it perfect on a dyno is even better. That is the whole point to this thread. If you have no other choices, then you gotta do what you feel like you gotta do. If you have the option to get a GOOD dyno tune from a reputable shop, that is the better option.

As I said earlier if you had logged and worked with me, I could have easily duplicated the results.

I am glad your Happy with your New Tuner but don't shoot down what We do.

We offer a Service that Satisfies a Need in the industry, Plug and Play Power solutions.

Guys can purchase parts and a tune in one package install it Flash the computer in they're own garage.

Now They have the tools in the package to Check and finish the tune.

For most simple bolts on packages it is not needed as I have done so many over and over I have the tunes perfected.

If the car just doesn't seem right I ask for logs and all to often we find mechanical issues that cause the lack of performance through logging.

For anything out of the ordinary or as the build get more intense I ask for Logs with Wide band.

The Every car is different Theory has Flaws, if that was the case Mass Production would not exist.

Do you think that Car manufacturers Dyno Every single vehicle they build?

Inside of a year model the calibration is the same.

Cars are only different if we make them different.

This is why I am so Busy with tuning.

Ted.

[1KillerSS]

i have not made any mistake and since you have your opinion thats mine

yours may be based on your own experience and so has mine

[nyny69]

Originally Posted by 1KillerSS

i have not made any mistake and since you have your opinion thats mine

yours may be based on your own experience and so has mine

I think you misread what i said. I never said you made any mistakes personally. I wasnt attacking you in any way. I was just giving my scenario and experience. Not questioning your decisions. Everyone has free choice who they use.

[1KillerSS]

I may have miss-read, and forgive me, its just that people constantly knock email/remote tuning and i think most just don't do what the tuner asks them to. or gets an inadequate person to tune for them.

anyway sorry for misunderstanding you.

[JANNETTYRACING]

Originally Posted by 1KillerSS

its just that people constantly knock email/remote tuning and i think most just don't do what the tuner asks them to. or gets an inadequate person to tune for them.

Exactly!

[jbrown13]

IMHO, this is the "Ford vs: Chevy" debate, only with respect to tuning. A good tuner can get it right with both methods and a poor tuner can get it wrong with both methods. To each his own opinion.