110 WRHP Gain after VVT Cam and Ported Stock Heads

[trw427ss]

Originally Posted by Blueforce

Do you see anyone else in the world using HP as a guage of power? Nope. They always mention torque. All HP does is keep you going a little longer after you pull your foot off the gas and increase your max top speed. It isn't a true measurement of performance. Who wants or can go over 130 anyways? Where I live there's not even roads of thruways long enough to achieve that and that's fast enough anyways. Acceleration is what makes a car fun, not how you can go 150mph.

First of all Horsepower is a derivative of torque and Horsepower is what accelerates the vehicle! I don't think you know what this car is used for or how fast it is. Lol I drag race it not top speed race it! This car runs 100mph in the 1/8 mile (660' ft) and almost 127mph in the 1/4 mile! If that's not Acceleration and fun I don't know what is! Horsepower is the only true measure of performance in acceleration!

[DaemonGPF]

Sounds like a boring place. Maybe a move away from Buffalo is in order.

...and Top Gear (the U.K. one) references horsepower all the time. That counts as at least 1 more than "nobody".

[Blueforce]

Just an FYI, HP is not what accelerates you. Torque does. Acceleration is measured in meters per second per second or ms^2. Just like gravity is 9.82 ms^2. We measure it in ft-lbs of torque. Acceleration is the change in velocity which is not measured in HP. Either way, if you have a 200 HP 600ft-lb torque car vs a 500 HP 500 ft-lb car the 500hp car would lose the race. Assuming same vehicle same weight and same drag and all that. And yes as an engineer I know that 1hp = 746 watts. Europe measures their cars in watts usually. The reason top gear mentions HP a lot is because it has a huge american fan base.

And its not a boring place. All I care about is getting the car to accelerate to 100 mph as fast as possible. I could care less about going much faster. I've hit 140 numerous times and that's enough for me. I just want to be put into the seat and a high speed doesn't do that but getting to a high speed does.

And yes thanks for linking that article. HP is stated as just a measure of output of how much the motor makes. Nothing to do with its acceleration. And how fast it goes 0-60. Maybe go to school and take a few physics classes to learn stuff.

[trw427ss]

Originally Posted by Blueforce

Just an FYI, HP is not what accelerates you. Torque does. Acceleration is measured in meters per second per second or ms^2. Just like gravity is 9.82 ms^2. We measure it in ft-lbs of torque. is the change in velocity which is not measured in HP. Either way, if you have a 200 HP 600ft-lb torque car vs a 500 HP 500 ft-lb car the 500hp car would lose the race. Assuming same vehicle same weight and same drag and all that. And yes as an engineer I know that 1hp = 746 watts. Europe measures their cars in watts usually. The reason top gear mentions HP a lot is because it has a huge american fan base.

And its not a boring place. All I care about is getting the car to accelerate to 100 mph as fast as possible. I could care less about going much faster. I've hit 140 numerous times and that's enough for me. I just want to be put into the seat and a high speed doesn't do that but getting to a high speed does.

And yes thanks for linking that article. HP is stated as just a measure of output of how much the motor makes. Nothing to do with its acceleration. And how fast it goes 0-60. Maybe go to school and take a few physics classes to learn stuff.

Were not talking about the math for Acceleration were talking about accelerating a car! It is impossible for a gasoline automotive engine to make 200hp and 600ft-lb of torque and if it could peak torque would at 1751 rpm to make only 200hp so it would not be out running a 500 hp 500ft-lbs of torque engine! If torque was what made a car go fast then how come Pro-stock engines have been taking about the same amount of torque for years and moving it up the rpm band to make more and more Horsepower and run quicker each time? (850ft-lb / 5252 X 7000 rpm = 1,132.9 HP)(850ft-lb / 5252 X 8000rpm = 1,294.74 HP)(850ft-lb / 5252 X 9000rpm = 1,456.59 Hp) Horsepower = They currently turn those 500ci engines over 11,000 rpm's!

Originally Posted by Blueforce

And its not a boring place. All I care about is getting the car to accelerate to 100 mph as fast as possible. I could care less about going much faster. I've hit 140 numerous times and that's enough for me. I just want to be put into the seat and a high speed doesn't do that but getting to a high speed does.

Obviously you didn't see that my car runs 0 to 100mph in 7.0 seconds I know first hand that will put you in the seat!

[DaemonGPF]

Originally Posted by Blueforce

Just an FYI, HP is not what accelerates you. Torque does. Acceleration is measured in meters per second per second or ms^2. Just like gravity is 9.82 ms^2. We measure it in ft-lbs of torque. Acceleration is the change in velocity which is not measured in HP. Either way, if you have a 200 HP 600ft-lb torque car vs a 500 HP 500 ft-lb car the 500hp car would lose the race. Assuming same vehicle same weight and same drag and all that. And yes as an engineer I know that 1hp = 746 watts. Europe measures their cars in watts usually. The reason top gear mentions HP a lot is because it has a huge american fan base.

And its not a boring place. All I care about is getting the car to accelerate to 100 mph as fast as possible. I could care less about going much faster. I've hit 140 numerous times and that's enough for me. I just want to be put into the seat and a high speed doesn't do that but getting to a high speed does.

And yes thanks for linking that article. HP is stated as just a measure of output of how much the motor makes. Nothing to do with its acceleration. And how fast it goes 0-60. Maybe go to school and take a few physics classes to learn stuff.

Different strokes for different folks. Come live out here in the southwest where roads carry straight on for hundreds of miles without sign of another living thing, or any stop lights with other cars to contend with. Top speed becomes more interesting than seeing how often you can get to 60mph faster than, well, absolutely no one around you.

[Blueforce]

It may be impossible for the car to have those statistics however the outcome would be what I said. And yes more RPM's would make the car go faster as you would be delivering more power because of faster rotations. However of that car which is probably putting out over 850 ft lbs at 11000 rpms at that point, would be faster. If that car could reach 1000 ft lbs of torque it would surely be tons faster.


I don't think I would be able to live out there. I don't like the heat much though I'm starting to want some here. Its still snowing. Perhaps someday I'll take a drive and experience the open roads. My particular want for acceleration obviously is an effect of my environment as well as yours for your environment. We also do not have a 1/4 mile track to race on, ours is an 1/8 mile. Such is life here in Buffalo.

[grocerygetter]

Originally Posted by Blueforce

It may be impossible for the car to have those statistics however the outcome would be what I said. And yes more RPM's would make the car go faster as you would be delivering more power because of faster rotations. However of that car which is probably putting out over 850 ft lbs at 11000 rpms at that point, would be faster. If that car could reach 1000 ft lbs of torque it would surely be tons faster.


I don't think I would be able to live out there. I don't like the heat much though I'm starting to want some here. Its still snowing. Perhaps someday I'll take a drive and experience the open roads. My particular want for acceleration obviously is an effect of my environment as well as yours for your environment. We also do not have a 1/4 mile track to race on, ours is an 1/8 mile. Such is life here in Buffalo.

you are still talking in a hypothetical world giving examples of a hypothetical hp/tq scenario.
and screwing up Terry's thread. We could all discuss this side bar in its own thread. Maybe a mod could pull all this BS out of his thread?

[GretchenGotGrowl]

That nonsense made my head hurt.

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[DaemonGPF]

Originally Posted by Blueforce

It may be impossible for the car to have those statistics however the outcome would be what I said. And yes more RPM's would make the car go faster as you would be delivering more power because of faster rotations. However of that car which is probably putting out over 850 ft lbs at 11000 rpms at that point, would be faster. If that car could reach 1000 ft lbs of torque it would surely be tons faster.


I don't think I would be able to live out there. I don't like the heat much though I'm starting to want some here. Its still snowing. Perhaps someday I'll take a drive and experience the open roads. My particular want for acceleration obviously is an effect of my environment as well as yours for your environment. We also do not have a 1/4 mile track to race on, ours is an 1/8 mile. Such is life here in Buffalo.

As someone who has lived in the New England area, the Southeast, and the Southwest - I'd be the first to say it's a totally different kind of heat. 100F out here is far more tolerable than 80F out there. NO humidity and a relative lack of bugs.

[MANNYS2SS/RS]

Awesome numbers, Congrat's.

[Hott12SS]

Originally Posted by VADER SS L99

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This literally made me laugh out loud. Thank you, sir

[Rhino79]

Originally Posted by Blueforce

Just an FYI, HP is not what accelerates you. Torque does. Acceleration is measured in meters per second per second or ms^2. Just like gravity is 9.82 ms^2. We measure it in ft-lbs of torque. Acceleration is the change in velocity which is not measured in HP. Either way, if you have a 200 HP 600ft-lb torque car vs a 500 HP 500 ft-lb car the 500hp car would lose the race. Assuming same vehicle same weight and same drag and all that. And yes as an engineer I know that 1hp = 746 watts. Europe measures their cars in watts usually. The reason top gear mentions HP a lot is because it has a huge american fan base.

And its not a boring place. All I care about is getting the car to accelerate to 100 mph as fast as possible. I could care less about going much faster. I've hit 140 numerous times and that's enough for me. I just want to be put into the seat and a high speed doesn't do that but getting to a high speed does.

And yes thanks for linking that article. HP is stated as just a measure of output of how much the motor makes. Nothing to do with its acceleration. And how fast it goes 0-60. Maybe go to school and take a few physics classes to learn stuff.

I go 0-103.55 in 6.68 seconds. I make 50-60 more hp than tq. The right combo likes bigger hp.

[Shift_Rejected]

Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

That nonsense made my head hurt.

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[Camarojt]

May tha blueFORCE be with you! You will need it.