Horsepower Wars - ZL1 now in 3rd Place

[el ess A]

I would hope so. The ZL1 platform (started out as "HP") is 5 years old at least. And it's STILL hanging with the newer technologies from those lesser brands.

Technology moves ahead. Somebody has to be first, second, third, et al. We all win when they all vie for top spot. Enjoy the salad days while it lasts folks, it won't be forever.

[BigBoyBlue]

It's a MOPAR, so it better have a good warranty.

[2011shelby]

Originally Posted by lbls1

The zl established the standard for the high powered pony cars, so IMO its reputation will stand at that

Originally Posted by hognutz

ha ha its called being first to the dance and everbody else knowing the target.

Explain to me how a 2012 ZL1 set the standard.
5 years AFTER the 2007 GT500 was released.

Should be interesting to see performance specs of the Challenger.

[BigBoyBlue]

Originally Posted by 2011shelby

Explain to me how a 2012 ZL1 set the standard.
5 years AFTER the 2007 GT500 was released.

Should be interesting to see performance specs of the Challenger.

The 2007 GT500 had lots of hp, but was a pig on the track. It certainly did not handle anything like today's ZL1 and GT500.

[FINALLYSATISFIED]

Looks like Dodge isn't the only one listening to its consumers.

[Frank in MD]

Originally Posted by 2012 ZL1#1658

There will always be something faster. That's just the way it goes.

Exactly.

Which is why you have to wonder why Mustang fans are so proud of the HP produced by the GT500. If it's straight line power you're after, there will always be something faster. If it's not out yet, it soon will be. There's always a bigger fish.

Pound for pound the ZL1 is a better overall car than the GT500. Not one of the comparos from the car enthusiast mags I've read says they prefer the GT500 over the ZL1.

[FINALLYSATISFIED]

ZL1 is better overall depends on the person. For me I didn't think so. Sure it has performance but the other platforms have better interior features whether it be design, or features. (Digital gauges, Heated/Cooled seats, Blind spot, Collision, Adaptive cruise, etc). The list goes on. After all the 2013 ZL1 finally added a touch screen, they were alittle behind.

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by G-Oil Guy

The dodge fans are adminant that it will be priced to compete with the ZL1. They claim that it's being said from their equivalent of fbodfather and Al O

That will be tough to do. Consider current pricing...
2014 ZL1 $55,355
2014 GT500 $55,110
2014 SRT8 $45,685

The ZL1 and GT500 each command a $20k increase over the SS/GT. If they can build the Hellcat for only $10k more than the SRT8, I will be impressed. I suspect we will see a MSRP of at least $60-65k.

Other predictions:

• The GT500 will still be faster in a straight-line.
• The ZL1 will still be faster around a track.
• Both will outsell the Hellcat.

Originally Posted by Frank in MD

Exactly.

Which is why you have to wonder why Mustang fans are so proud of the HP produced by the GT500.

Right off the showroom floor it puts 595hp/603ft-lbs to the ground for only $55,000. There is no other automobile on this planet that can do that. Give credit where credit is due.

[hognutz]

Originally Posted by 2011shelby

Explain to me how a 2012 ZL1 set the standard.
5 years AFTER the 2007 GT500 was released.

Should be interesting to see performance specs of the Challenger.

cause the 2007 drove like crap. they don't even count to me. I remeber driving a 2009 GT500, 2008 challenger, 2008 Z51 back to back. the corvette just handled them all easily. I remeber thinking (no kids then) why would anybody by either of those boat anchors over the corvette. they were all very similar money. I paid 45k for the vette and they other two were right in that same range.

now I get needing a back seat again (kids) but I don't want a boat anchor handling car.

[G-Oil Guy]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

That will be tough to do. Consider current pricing...
2014 ZL1 $55,355
2014 GT500 $55,110
2014 SRT8 $45,685

The ZL1 and GT500 each command a $20k increase over the SS/GT. If they can build the Hellcat for only $10k more than the SRT8, I will be impressed. I suspect we will see a MSRP of at least $60-65k.

Other predictions:

• The GT500 will still be faster in a straight-line.
• The ZL1 will still be faster around a track.
• Both will outsell the Hellcat.

Right off the showroom floor it puts 595hp/603ft-lbs to the ground for only $55,000. There is no other automobile on this planet that can do that. Give credit where credit is due.

I didn't say I agreed with them just that thu were all singing the same tune

[Skylane765]

Originally Posted by URBAN LEGEND

Who cares? Enjoy your car.

Yes, the car is not out. So the ZL1 is not in 3rd. He'll if you look at it like that, in 4 years the ZL1 may be in 10th.

Looks like Dodge has been behind for 3 years now, it's about time. It took them long enough.

[Skylane765]

Originally Posted by FINALLYSATISFIED

ZL1 is better overall depends on the person. For me I didn't think so. Sure it has performance but the other platforms have better interior features whether it be design, or features. (Digital gauges, Heated/Cooled seats, Blind spot, Collision, Adaptive cruise, etc). The list goes on. After all the 2013 ZL1 finally added a touch screen, they were alittle behind.

If you want all that fancy stuff get a Cadillac.

[lbls1]

Originally Posted by 2011shelby

Explain to me how a 2012 ZL1 set the standard.
5 years AFTER the 2007 GT500 was released.

Should be interesting to see performance specs of the Challenger.

The ZL1 set the standard of an american 2x2 coupe with a high horsepower engine that can also handle as well as the top echelon of performance cars. To my knowledge, this wasn't accomplished in the pony car segment before the '12 ZL1....at least to a significant degree.

[cam99]

My .02
1-the hellcat will be very costly, and has a long way to go to be competant performer against the zl1 and gt500 on something more than just hp figures. Not saying it won't be, I hope it is. Keeps everybody pushing the bar up higher

2- where the hell are these 55k 2014 gt500 I see people talking about. Thats a base price and I haven't seen anything close to that in a retail world. Options, transport, dealer markup's, etc. Seems like a stretch to actually pay 55k for one.

3- The first generation gt500 pretty much sucked. Coming from two previous 03 cobra's. those new gen car's took a big step backwards ( again except in the hp rating, which seems to be the main focus of those car's, not overall performance). I had a mildly modified 08 gt500 and would seriously take a new 5.0 over that car if I was buying a mustang. not impressed