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What you get is the generic stock answer because they don't want to tip their hand on future products or developement. Doing that could cost someone with loose lips their job.
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07-23-2014, 01:37 PM | #30 |
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The Challenger has been behind in sales since day one to Ford and GM. The production of the Hellcat isn't going to change where they fall into line. If anything it's only going to hurt Viper sales even more for them. GM will never produce a car that has more power than a Corvette and they will always use it to do their heavy lifting when competing with other muscle and sports cars. If you're a true Camaro fan, then you know you're the bastard child of the Corvette and all of these threads and discussions are a waste of time. Corvette > Camaro and it will never change.
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07-23-2014, 02:23 PM | #32 |
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Let's see how much the Gen 6 weighs, then what the 1/4 mile time are.
Let's also see the Nurburgring time of the Hellcat. After all, there's more than one way to skin a cat.
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07-23-2014, 02:33 PM | #33 |
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The ZL1 does not need to play the hellcat game. The Hellcat needs to play the ZL1 game.
GM Marketing Claim: Nuremberg (don't crucify the spelling) Why? Because whole car, magnetic ride, hp, etc . . . Dodge Marketing Claim: 1/4 mile Why? Because it can't compete on suspension, handling, etc . . . Dodge needs to beat the ZL1 at the track, not the 1/4 mile. Much harder to modify a Dodge to beat the ZL1 at the track than to modify a ZL1 to beat a dodge at the 1/4 mile. |
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I agree with you but the problem is here in America people value 1/4 miles times and HP ratings. In terms of marketing Dodge is exactly where they want to be. |
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There is no competition between the Viper and the Vette.
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07-23-2014, 03:11 PM | #37 |
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Keep in mind that this is one guy's opinion. No one outside of GM's inner circle know what their plans are.
Remember that opinions are like a$$holes, everyone has one and they usually stink!
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07-23-2014, 03:50 PM | #38 | |
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And the F-body (Camaro/Firebird) died in 2002 due to lagging sales, even though they were much quicker than the Mustangs which survived. And Ford once again pulled the plug on a flagship performance car. No, it's not as simple as true performance. It's PERCEPTION that drives fashion sales. Ouch. Yes, Camaros, Mustangs, Challengers, Corvettes, Vipers, Porsches, etc, are mostly purchased by people who want possess an image of what a certain automobile is perceived as. It's Fashion. Fashion sense in the auto world is the hardest thing to change. More cars were killed due to fashion than engineers ever destroyed. I think the Fashion Winner of the 21st century has to have been Cadillac. It was about to be shut down, and somehow, what was considered an overpriced, overweight, underperforming, land yacht for the Geritol crowd became Hip-Slick-N-Cool. One of the famous losers was Pontiac. While the Firebird was at the peak of it's game performance wise, and most of it's products were well engineered, they just could not invited to party. Stood up on Prom Night. Dodge is still struggling with Fashion. Only time will tell if they can get to hang out with the cool kids again. It certainly does not help that Fiat's rep in the US is poor. Yes, Fiat is not shiit anymore, but it's hard to kill a perception.
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07-23-2014, 04:47 PM | #40 | |
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Not sure if anyone has read MotorTrends article yet. Appears the handling on a road course is still a bit MEH..
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Then why has the ZL1 been such a positive move for GM? In my opinion, it gained it's respect from the other manufacturers when the Nurburgring times were viewed and published. Most companies didn't focus on the road course/track aspect of a production car until Cadillac started using it's "Nurburgring times" in advertising. Yes there is segment that ONLY wants to do the 1/4 mile. That gets old after awhile at least it would for me. I have drag raced before and the "down time" waiting for everyone to get their runs in killed it for me. Road course, totally different experience that physically drains you after an all day session. The best thing is you get plenty of track time. |
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At the time the Zl1 was best all around for the money. Times changed now dodge has it beat. For most the challenger will handle just fine. On muscle cars 1/4 mile has always been the factor and it seems GM has lost focus on it.
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