Will GM beat the kitty kat?

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by McRat

It sure would be nice for Dodge to state that the car used for the "NHRA Certified" tests was as-delivered retail stock.

Personally, I'd run 100 octane, tune the engine, drop the exhaust, remove swaybars, rear seats, and put lighter brakes from another model on it.

I will admit to being puzzled how they picked up MPH by going to a stickier tire. I've always lost MPH when I changed to drag tires. Yes, my ET's fell, but my MPH did too.

Do 20" drag radials really drop 0.4 seconds off your sixties, when you are already running 1.8 sixties? Big rims are a dumb choice for good sixties. Or did they put 15" rims and tires on the rear (see change brakes).

Just food for thought. The truth will come out when real owners run their cars at the strip. If the MPH ain't there, then Dodge monkeyed with the car for the NHRA test. You can add tire and/or VHT to drop ET's, but you can't add MPH without removing weight or adding HP.

I really enjoy and learn from your posts.

[tones2SS]

Originally Posted by Mikes fast ss

So what's the nhra cert that's required for an 10.8 car.......

Here ya go,................
http://www.nhra.com/UserFiles/file/G...egulations.pdf
Plus,....I think this has been covered OVER and OVER and OVER again.
It's a car that you purchase right off the showroom floor. The ONLY change to make it go 10.8 are the drag radials. NO MODIFICATIONS what-so-ever. 99% stock minus the stock tires. They were STREET LEGAL drag radials that was used for the quarter mile, 10.8 @ 126 miles.

[Betiwin]

The motor is 707 SAE certified. The almost 800 HP number comes from a dodge engineer stating the motor in reality makes almost 800hp because it takes 80+ HP to spin the blower.

[Sven59]

Originally Posted by Betiwin

The motor is 707 SAE certified. The almost 800 HP number comes from a dodge engineer stating the motor in reality makes almost 800hp because it takes 80+ HP to spin the blower.

What is the purpose of the blower? If that were true every manufacturer would state that. The supercharger generates horsepower not takes it away. What would the motor be rated without the supercharger? The only two numbers that matter are crank horsepower (what the engine makes at the crank) and rear wheel horse power which is determine by a dyno. Kind of dumb to say I am not going to add the supercharger because it takes away horsepower.

[07-SRT]

A supercharger makes more hp than it takes to turn it....the engineers were simply stating it takes 80 hp to run it, the net result is 707....Your supercharger on your Zl1 takes hp to run and the net result is 580...

[McRat]

The supercharger is not an accessory. You can play with removing accessories to get bigger crank HP claims, but removing the supercharger probably isn't going to help much.

Kind of like saying if you didn't have to consume 25HP driving the cam and valves, you'd have more power...

[BeltFed]

Originally Posted by Sven59

Wow, not sure why you are even here, if the 707 HP is SAE certified, how can it be over 800? HP is either at the crank or rear wheels. Who cares what it did on drag radials, these are manufacturers claims so it should be tested as it comes from the factory. Please provide a copy of the NHRA certification. What were the conditions, what track, what driver. Was the car completely stock? Also where are its track times and top speed times and who were they certified by? Based on the balance of the car and weight the ZL1 is a much better overall car. Can show me where it is a better DD, 1/4 and track car that is dependable? Also what is its safety ratings, the Camaro was the first car to ace all areas of the safety tests. Basically you have a lot of splainin to do.

"Under no circumstances may any certified product be modified, altered, or in any way vary from the “as manufactured” condition. Such a practice is in violation of the SFI, Snell, DOT, etc. program, voids such certification and therefore will not be accepted by NHRA."

[McRat]

Originally Posted by BeltFed

"Under no circumstances may any certified product be modified, altered, or in any way vary from the “as manufactured” condition. Such a practice is in violation of the SFI, Snell, DOT, etc. program, voids such certification and therefore will not be accepted by NHRA."

Uh, slick? The Hellcat is not in production.

SNELL?? HAHAHAHAHA!!! That's funny! That's helmets.

SFI? There are NO SFI parts on a retail production stock street cars. SFI is for aftermarket safety equipment.

[BeltFed]

Originally Posted by McRat

Uh, slick? The Hellcat is not in production.

SNELL?? HAHAHAHAHA!!! That's funny! That's helmets.

SFI? There are NO SFI parts on a retail production stock street cars. SFI is for aftermarket safety equipment.

That quote is a general statement that encompasses all NHRA certifications. Not specific to SNELL or SFI.

I could be wrong though. I mean, this NHRA stuff is all new to me.

[BeltFed]

http://youtu.be/TzSABrT0CoI

Pretty interesting race. 1/8 of a mile. Not sure if that was a stock ZL1 or not. The Hellcat won with an unimpressive 8.6 sec, not by much.

Someone mentioned the best the Hellcat ran was an 8.4 sec. A modded GT500, who posted this link in another forum, said he was running 8.1-8.3.

Edit: Correction, the best time was an 8.343 @87.80 mph for the Hellcat.

[McRat]

So I'm not misunderstood, it is possible the production Hellcat will run 10.8 on 20" drag radials, or 11.2 on the OEM tires.

It's just the whole "NHRA Certified" thingy that is funky.

[BeltFed]

Originally Posted by McRat

So I'm not misunderstood, it is possible the production Hellcat will run 10.8 on 20" drag radials, or 11.2 on the OEM tires.

It's just the whole "NHRA Certified" thingy that is funky.

Oh yeah I hear you on that. What bothers me is why didn't they NHRA certify everything else? The 0-60, or even the 392 model cars, or Scat Pack RT. Is it because it wasn't "record braking"? Does certifying cost a lot of money and time? I don't know.

[96MrBass]

Couldn't Ford have claimed the record for most hp/ fastest muscle car ever with the present GT500?

[McRat]

Until Dodge advertised it, I had never heard of it.

Even at 10.8 on tire, I'm not sure that would be any kind of record for a stock auto.