Will GM beat the kitty kat?

[Emvici]

I wonder what the hell kitty will get from fuel mileage? any guesses?

[Mikes fast ss]

Originally Posted by jessrayo

Yeah, and it is up to the track manager as to what "no alterations" means. One track manager said if I ran with drag radials my car was altered and I needed a bar. Another one said as long as all the factory airbags are still inside it is legal. I have a roll bar now, and all the factory airbags...lol.

Per the nhra director this is an nhra rule. It's "supposed" to be enforced but we know how that goes. They, the nhra, did such a crappy job clarifying this rule it's easy to understand why even track techs are confused.


As per your second case, the rule never mentions air bags in the def, so that tech had no clue. Lol

[jessrayo]

Originally Posted by Mikes fast ss

Per the nhra director this is an nhra rule. It's "supposed" to be enforced but we know how that goes. They, the nhra, did such a crappy job clarifying this rule it's easy to understand why even track techs are confused.


As per your second case, the rule never mentions air bags in the def, so that tech had no clue. Lol

Well, his interpretation and explanation of the ruling was that the NHRA didn't care about drag radials or air filters. He felt the NHRA wanted to make sure that all 2008 and newer cars had none of the original safety equipment removed and this is what allowed for the rule exception. The primary safety equipment on the newer cars is the plethora of air bags so this was his concern. I left a little information out, he asked if I altered the chassis, removed any airbags or altered the factory seats or seatbelt system. I said no so he let me run in the 10's.

I personally think he had a lot better understanding of the ruling than the guy who said I could take the drag radials off and then run without a bar. That is just dumb.

[BeltFed]

Originally Posted by Emvici

I wonder what the hell kitty will get from fuel mileage? any guesses?

The Dodge rep in one of the press events stated that the Hellcat auto is expected to average 20 mpg if driven modestly, which I think will probably be hard to do. But that the 20 mpg number is not yet official.

[Mikes fast ss]

Originally Posted by jessrayo

Well, his interpretation and explanation of the ruling was that the NHRA didn't care about drag radials or air filters. He felt the NHRA wanted to make sure that all 2008 and newer cars had none of the original safety equipment removed and this is what allowed for the rule exception. The primary safety equipment on the newer cars is the plethora of air bags so this was his concern. I left a little information out, he asked if I altered the chassis, removed any airbags or altered the factory seats or seatbelt system. I said no so he let me run in the 10's.

I personally think he had a lot better understanding of the ruling than the guy who said I could take the drag radials off and then run without a bar. That is just dumb.

Ok, ill put it this way........ How did you prove you had air bags? You didn't physically show him anything.? Nope. I could have every air bag removed and no one would ever know. That's why "air bags" is no where in the rule.


Unaltered means anything different than how it was picked up from the dealership. Cab people slide by, of course. At a real ever, not a rental or a TNT you won't slide by. The car will be held to the rule.

My 2014 C7 made shakedown passes at 10.5 130 mph. 18" drag radials was all they knew about the car and it was kicked off. This was at a private rental.

[jessrayo]

Originally Posted by Mikes fast ss

Ok, ill put it this way........ How did you prove you had air bags? You didn't physically show him anything.? Nope. I could have every air bag removed and no one would ever know. That's why "air bags" is no where in the rule.


Unaltered means anything different than how it was picked up from the dealership. Cab people slide by, of course. At a real ever, not a rental or a TNT you won't slide by. The car will be held to the rule.

My 2014 C7 made shakedown passes at 10.5 130 mph. 18" drag radials was all they knew about the car and it was kicked off. This was at a private rental.

I only run at TNT events. This is what I get from the tech guys at TNT. lol... I'm glad you are not my local track manager. Like I said I have a rollbar now. I forget how fast I can go with a single loop before I get in trouble again. I think the next time I run I may get a private conversation....lol.

[BeltFed]

http://www.edmunds.com/dodge/challen...cat=affiliates

"The Hellcat leaves the line with all the subtlety of a punch to the gut. After our acceleration run, the in-car performance meter gave us an estimated quarter-mile time of 11.4 seconds. This supports the NHRA-certified 11.2-second run that SRT achieved on street tires..."

This guy got an 11.4 1/4 mile time at the same event that all the videos are surfacing from, the PIR press event. Same event from the crappy 0-60 video is from.

So, can the 11.2 be replicated? I'd like to think so. We will see.

[Sven59]

It says the car gave them an estimated 11.4. They ran an acceleration run.

[96MrBass]

That Edmund's article cracks me up when it comes to the hellcats competitors. A full second quicker than the GT500's 11.6 / 11.8. I guess they are referring to the drag radial pass?

[BeltFed]

Originally Posted by Sven59

It says the car gave them an estimated 11.4. They ran an acceleration run.

Yeah good catch, that was an in-car performance timing, who knows how accurate that is. However, they did change the distance measurement sensor from the rear tires to the front, to minimize error from wheel spin, but still how accurate is it?

What's an acceleration run?

Originally Posted by 96MrBass

That Edmund's article cracks me up when it comes to the hellcats competitors. A full second quicker than the GT500's 11.6 / 11.8. I guess they are referring to the drag radial pass?

Yeah, a lot of these review articles have some facts completely backwards, one was listing the Hellcat with only a manual transmission. Another listed the V6 engine with the HC. Their incompetency reflects at the track. "Journalism" right there.

[Blk-Ice]

Hellcat....i dont care bout no stinkin Hellcat!!!

[dtwolcot2]

Originally Posted by BeltFed

http://youtu.be/TzSABrT0CoI

Pretty interesting race. 1/8 of a mile. Not sure if that was a stock ZL1 or not. The Hellcat won with an unimpressive 8.6 sec, not by much.

Someone mentioned the best the Hellcat ran was an 8.4 sec. A modded GT500, who posted this link in another forum, said he was running 8.1-8.3.

Edit: Correction, the best time was an 8.343 @87.80 mph for the Hellcat.

Embarrassing times for the Kitty. Also bad time for the ZL1 if they got beat with a 8.6 in the 1/8 mile.

[dtwolcot2]

Originally Posted by macwest

Not Butt hurt at all. My SS can out do a Zl1 any day. Just in comparison Hellcat, GT500 and Zl1 are in same category. With mods and one of the three, challenger, mustang or camaro, can handle well and go fast. Best part of the hellcat is with no mods it is very quick. With no mods the ZL1 only has 480 to the rear wheels. The GT500 pounces that by 80. Once we see a hellcat on a dyno we can then say by how much more.

AS for handling not many people are going to push any one of the 3 to their limit on handling , so handling is a mute point, and if you are one of the few that will push it there are mods you still will want to any one of them. Main point most will car about is how fast it can get from 0-60.

On weight and roadcoarse both the Zl1 and challenger are heavy.I believe they are within 200 lbs of each other. A Z/28 or 2010 SS is best choice for weight. After 2010 GM started adding in HUD and other features adding to weight.which means you have to eliminate more to get weight down to offset for roll cage weight.



I would really like to see that just wish ford had the new svt out especially if it will have 750hp would really like to see what it could do.

Missed your post. I was out running my ZL1 on a roadhouse that apparently nobody does. Yeah a SS is lighter weight but in stock form is much slower and handles much worse than the ZL1. Can you mod a SS to be faster than a ZL1? Of course... Can I mod a ZL1 to be faster than a Hellcat or your car.... You bet. Your modded SS might be faster than ZL1 anyday but I probably spent less, have 580 HP, and still have a warranty.

[crc91]

^^^true
But I think we can all agree on one thing women love camaros!