Will GM beat the kitty kat?

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by Hell Cat 1

The facts are that Chevrolet has 270 million cars recalled for ignition switches and air bags that's got to be some kind of record don't you think. Quality control is not one of GMs strong points.

Actually, QC is there. These issues (real or imagined) are getting fixed. They could have been more timely though. Kind of like...
http://www.thecarconnection.com/news...7-jeep-liberty

Originally Posted by Hell Cat 1

Tell us how it feels to get your ass handed to you by a brick

You mean like this?
Edmunds.com Manual Hellokitty Test:
---GT500: 0-60, 3.9sec, 1/4mile 12.1 @ 120.6mph; 3870lbs
-----ZL1: 0-60, 4.1sec, 1/4mile 12.4 @ 116.0mph
Hellokitty: 0-60, 4.8sec; 1/4mile 12.5 @ 118.8mph; 4454lbs

[tnspd]

Originally Posted by newmoon

A couple things. 1st terrible times for both cars. I'm sure traction was a problem. Second that sure looks like my prior 2004 Cobra on the return road in the beginning, if it was he should have showed both the ZL1 and the Hellcat how to run the 1/8, my average times bone stock were 8:20s-8:30s.

That is my point. Dont matter what the magazines say. It matters what the car can do in the hands of the public at a local track. Track prep, temperatures, driver ability, etc.... My ZLI was the first to run an 11.7 at Fayetteville NC Motorsports park. I'll race a Hell kitty any day of the week. Besides, the ZL1 has better stiching, LOL

[96MrBass]

Originally Posted by newmoon

A couple things. 1st terrible times for both cars. I'm sure traction was a problem. Second that sure looks like my prior 2004 Cobra on the return road in the beginning, if it was he should have showed both the ZL1 and the Hellcat how to run the 1/8, my average times bone stock were 8:20s-8:30s.

You were the same guy telling me ( yes you can mod a 5.0 or SS for less money and still run as quick but your probably gonna break stuff ) lol. All good though I say mod em and run em.

[Hell Cat 1]

Originally Posted by Sven59

Great post!

The ZL-1 is an awesome car Chevrolet did a good job. The hell Cat will also be an awesome car and like it has already been said see you at the track and then we will see which is faster. I bet the ZL-1 will win some and the hell cat will win some. Get John Force to drive and the car he is driving (ZL-1 or Hell Cat) will win. I been racing a long time and when you start talking trash and getting cocky you start screwing up and what should have been a win becomes a loss. If you say you have never lost one you should have won then you have not raced except in your mind.

[motorhead]

Why would anyone want to run a manual transmission for drag racing these days? You're just asking to loose. All smart drag racers have known for a very long time that automatics are where it is at in that world. You guys in your manual ZL1s, challengers and GT500s enjoy getting your butts kicked by four door automatic hellcat chargers. I'll be happy listening to you blow off about how the computer drives my car for me while I'm first to pick up my time slip from the window on the return line. These hellcat threads are very funny. I love you all from both sides of this. Oh and I'll beat many of you in my automatic ZL1 too just to add insult to injury.

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by motorhead

Why would anyone want to run a manual transmission for drag racing these days? You're just asking to loose. All smart drag racers have known for a very long time that automatics are where it is at in that world. You guys in your manual ZL1s, challengers and GT500s enjoy getting your butts kicked by four door automatic hellcat chargers. I'll be happy listening to you blow off about how the computer drives my car for me while I'm first to pick up my time slip from the window on the return line. These hellcat threads are very funny. I love you all from both sides of this. Oh and I'll beat many of you in my automatic ZL1 too just to add insult to injury.

99.99% of the miles you put on your car are NOT on a drag strip. Many enjoy the engaging experience of a manual transmission while driving. It's not ALWAYS about a few tenths.

[Hell Cat 1]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

Actually, QC is there. These issues (real or imagined) are getting fixed. They could have been more timely though. Kind of like...
http://www.thecarconnection.com/news...7-jeep-liberty



You mean like this?
Edmunds.com Manual Hellokitty Test:
---GT500: 0-60, 3.9sec, 1/4mile 12.1 @ 120.6mph; 3870lbs
-----ZL1: 0-60, 4.1sec, 1/4mile 12.4 @ 116.0mph
Hellokitty: 0-60, 4.8sec; 1/4mile 12.5 @ 118.8mph; 4454lbs

On a lighter note. I am aware that all brands have their problems. I am not a GM hater. I pointed this out (the recall) because some one was rubbing it in hard about Chryslers bad build quality. I trust they (GM) will make it right. It would have been better for them if they would have done it sooner rather than later. I am very happy to see all of them building better and faster cars.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

99.99% of the miles you put on your car are NOT on a drag strip. Many enjoy the engaging experience of a manual transmission while driving. It's not ALWAYS about a few tenths.

Then why are you and others bringing up those tenths and track times in all of these hellcat threads? As far as having an engaging experience is concerned, I've had many in many automatics and manuals. It didn't make much difference. Infact they were so engaging that people used to be afraid to ride with me. Those days are over and luckily none of us died. Point is, any car can be engaging if you want it to be. Manuals are for people that have control issues. I used to be one. Let go of your grip someday and maybe you'll get to experience real joy in a car. Gear jamming is outdated. Are you also typing your posts on a commodore 64?

[96MrBass]

Originally Posted by motorhead

Then why are you and others bringing up those tenths and track times in all of these hellcat threads? As far as having an engaging experience is concerned, I've had many in many automatics and manuals. It didn't make much difference. Infact they were so engaging that people used to be afraid to ride with me. Those days are over and luckily none of us died. Point is, any car can be engaging if you want it to be. Manuals are for people that have control issues. I used to be one. Let go of your grip someday and maybe you'll get to experience real joy in a car. Gear jamming is outdated. Are you also typing your posts on a commodore 64?

What da. Lol

[Brownster]

Originally Posted by motorhead

Then why are you and others bringing up those tenths and track times in all of these hellcat threads? As far as having an engaging experience is concerned, I've had many in many automatics and manuals. It didn't make much difference. Infact they were so engaging that people used to be afraid to ride with me. Those days are over and luckily none of us died. Point is, any car can be engaging if you want it to be. Manuals are for people that have control issues. I used to be one. Let go of your grip someday and maybe you'll get to experience real joy in a car. Gear jamming is outdated. Are you also typing your posts on a commodore 64?

Seriously?
I think you are the one with control issues.

[jessrayo]

Originally Posted by motorhead

Why would anyone want to run a manual transmission for drag racing these days? You're just asking to loose. All smart drag racers have known for a very long time that automatics are where it is at in that world. You guys in your manual ZL1s, challengers and GT500s enjoy getting your butts kicked by four door automatic hellcat chargers. I'll be happy listening to you blow off about how the computer drives my car for me while I'm first to pick up my time slip from the window on the return line. These hellcat threads are very funny. I love you all from both sides of this. Oh and I'll beat many of you in my automatic ZL1 too just to add insult to injury.

Drag racing is just one of the types of racing I do in my ZL1, It would be faster in the 1/4 with an auto but I don't want an auto for road racing, and honestly at my power level I might overheat an auto road racing...


I must admit that when drag racing the manual, I can hit the limiter a little hard from time to time or not get the clutch right and bog the launch a little but unless you can consistently run in the 10's your are not going to beat my manual car very often. I can say honestly that at my local track, pretty much nobody that comes in with a license plate on the car is winning 2 out of 3. The clutch is costing me some time but if you can drive you can still win races with the manual.

I guess my point is if you think you can whip everyone that gets in the ring with one arm tied behind their back you just haven't found the right fighter yet. If you have enough power, the skill or lack thereof is rather insignificant.

But the Hellcat has a long way to go....

[Todd in Vancouver]

Originally Posted by motorhead

Then why are you and others bringing up those tenths and track times in all of these hellcat threads? As far as having an engaging experience is concerned, I've had many in many automatics and manuals. It didn't make much difference. Infact they were so engaging that people used to be afraid to ride with me. Those days are over and luckily none of us died. Point is, any car can be engaging if you want it to be. Manuals are for people that have control issues. I used to be one. Let go of your grip someday and maybe you'll get to experience real joy in a car. Gear jamming is outdated. Are you also typing your posts on a commodore 64?

Really? And what do you base this wealth of knowledge and experience on?

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by motorhead

Then why are you and others bringing up those tenths and track times in all of these hellcat threads? As far as having an engaging experience is concerned, I've had many in many automatics and manuals. It didn't make much difference. Infact they were so engaging that people used to be afraid to ride with me. Those days are over and luckily none of us died. Point is, any car can be engaging if you want it to be. Manuals are for people that have control issues. I used to be one. Let go of your grip someday and maybe you'll get to experience real joy in a car. Gear jamming is outdated. Are you also typing your posts on a commodore 64?

In response to the influx of Mopar fans to the site to trumpet, I mean discuss, the Hell-omg707-cat performance, tenths (or lack thereof) have surfaced as it relates to automatic vs manual performance of the Dodge. My point is, we are not always racing WOT on a drag strip for pinks. The vast majority of miles put on a car are on congested city streets and highways. I can't use 707HP all the time, but I can row my own gears at any speed, a task I still enjoy doing.

You might think that phone-sex is just as engaging as the real thing. I have to disagree. Maybe a good romping is "outdated", but I still enjoy the hell out of it. Call me old fashioned...at 34.

[Johnman]

Originally Posted by motorhead

Then why are you and others bringing up those tenths and track times in all of these hellcat threads? As far as having an engaging experience is concerned, I've had many in many automatics and manuals. It didn't make much difference. Infact they were so engaging that people used to be afraid to ride with me. Those days are over and luckily none of us died. Point is, any car can be engaging if you want it to be. Manuals are for people that have control issues. I used to be one. Let go of your grip someday and maybe you'll get to experience real joy in a car. Gear jamming is outdated. Are you also typing your posts on a commodore 64?

I guess the Z/28 engineers have "control issues" because they don't even offer an automatic transmission on their mission-focused track star. Maybe they know something you don't when it comes to anything but straight-line contests.