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crc91 · 08-25-2014, 03:50 PM

Due to a discussion in another thread about meth kits and superchargers it got my gears turning. Although it probably wouldn't be the cheapest option it would be different and should work. What if an V6 had full bolt on, a set of gears. Owners is looking to make more power but doesn't wanna add forced induction or nitrous. What kinda of gains do you think could be had on installing a meth kit on a NA car? Although not much with just a meth kit. The meth kit would clean up carbon deposit put in the engine over time, it would slow your computer to run more timing because the way I understand it it acts almost like an octane booster. So what if somebody added a meth kit to a full bolt on lfx AND tuned it to run on 93 octane, and went with custom forged pistons for a decent bump in compression ratio? I feel like 30-45ish up could be obtained from a high compression build on meth. Add some gears to that and it'd feel like a completely new car and would be VERY responsive. And comments? Has anyone done this to a v6 camaro before? Am I being realistic as far as expecting those gains?

GretchenGotGrowl · 08-25-2014, 03:59 PM

With 93 octane you probably aren't going to see any timing pulled under normal conditions (when it is very hot you might, see below). Given there is a limit to how far you can advance the timing, I would say the short answer is no.

Now, meth also lowers IATs which results in a denser air charger. That may add a few ponies, but not a whole lot.

Increasing the CR is something we've talked about some. I do think you will see some gains from that, but it all depends how high you go. You may find that a 12.5:1 CR will run just fine on 93 octane. You would be in unknown territory at that point.

crc91 · 08-25-2014, 04:06 PM

Well I put 93 octane in now even stock I'm not saying it needs it or anything but if I were to get a tune to access the higher octane tables in the Ecu i should be able to advance timing a bit just by running on 93 octane with a tune for it. Now adding meth and running on 93 should let me advance my timing enough to run a safe at a higher compression ratio ten stock. And by swapping out the pistons for a proper set I could increase compression even more. But the meth kit should keep it at a safe level. Idk like I said it's just a though, I know ips and ipf are proven packages and the easiest way to go to make great power. Just thinking outside the box a bit

GretchenGotGrowl · 08-25-2014, 04:36 PM

Here's the thread where we were discussing some similar ideas.

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=347964

crc91 · 08-25-2014, 05:19 PM

Thanks I'll give it a read . Anyone else have any ideas or comments?

DSX_Camaro · 08-25-2014, 09:03 PM

A meth kit probably wouldn't do a whole lot on our cars, as discussed. Just like anything over 93 doesn't really have impressive gains either. Anyway. Gears don't do a whole lot for our cars because they're geared so well. The ideal ratio would be to do the SS 3.45 gears or the Richmond 3.55 gears, because the 3.91s push you out of the power band unless you're running a high HP lower torque build like the IPF super.

Good ideas though... Got me thinking again.

dmginc · 08-25-2014, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DSX_Camaro

A meth kit probably wouldn't do a whole lot on our cars, as discussed. Just like anything over 93 doesn't really have impressive gains either. Anyway. Gears don't do a whole lot for our cars because they're geared so well. The ideal ratio would be to do the SS 3.45 gears or the Richmond 3.55 gears, because the 3.91s push you out of the power band unless you're running a high HP lower torque build like the IPF super.

Good ideas though... Got me thinking again.

crc91 · 08-25-2014, 10:11 PM

Well I will most likely join the ipf SC family when the time comes and funds allow. For now the 3.91 should wake my car up a bit. But was just thinking out loud, I'd love to see a higher compression 350-375crank NA build on our cars one day. Seems like boost is just so easy.

IBM camaro · 08-25-2014, 10:27 PM

I was making close to 350-360 natural with e85 and all the mods for the v6

crc91 · 08-25-2014, 10:31 PM

Very interesting, can you compare and contrast that set up from the stock ipf set up(before you added meth and all that goodness)

08-25-2014, 03:50 PM	#1
crc91 Drives: '14 1LS Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Mandeville Posts: 2,166	Meth kit? Due to a discussion in another thread about meth kits and superchargers it got my gears turning. Although it probably wouldn't be the cheapest option it would be different and should work. What if an V6 had full bolt on, a set of gears. Owners is looking to make more power but doesn't wanna add forced induction or nitrous. What kinda of gains do you think could be had on installing a meth kit on a NA car? Although not much with just a meth kit. The meth kit would clean up carbon deposit put in the engine over time, it would slow your computer to run more timing because the way I understand it it acts almost like an octane booster. So what if somebody added a meth kit to a full bolt on lfx AND tuned it to run on 93 octane, and went with custom forged pistons for a decent bump in compression ratio? I feel like 30-45ish up could be obtained from a high compression build on meth. Add some gears to that and it'd feel like a completely new car and would be VERY responsive. And comments? Has anyone done this to a v6 camaro before? Am I being realistic as far as expecting those gains?

08-25-2014, 03:59 PM	#2
GretchenGotGrowl Drives: 11 F150 EB/13 Sonic RS/15 Z06 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Little Rock, AR Posts: 7,127 View My Garage	With 93 octane you probably aren't going to see any timing pulled under normal conditions (when it is very hot you might, see below). Given there is a limit to how far you can advance the timing, I would say the short answer is no. Now, meth also lowers IATs which results in a denser air charger. That may add a few ponies, but not a whole lot. Increasing the CR is something we've talked about some. I do think you will see some gains from that, but it all depends how high you go. You may find that a 12.5:1 CR will run just fine on 93 octane. You would be in unknown territory at that point. __________________ New Ride -- 2015 Z06 2LZ (stock) -- Journal Old Ride -- 2012 Camaro 2LT/RS (647 RWHP & 726 RWTQ) -- Build Thread

08-25-2014, 04:36 PM	#4
GretchenGotGrowl Drives: 11 F150 EB/13 Sonic RS/15 Z06 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Little Rock, AR Posts: 7,127 View My Garage	Here's the thread where we were discussing some similar ideas. http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=347964 __________________ New Ride -- 2015 Z06 2LZ (stock) -- Journal Old Ride -- 2012 Camaro 2LT/RS (647 RWHP & 726 RWTQ) -- Build Thread Last edited by GretchenGotGrowl; 08-25-2014 at 04:57 PM.

08-25-2014, 09:03 PM	#6
DSX_Camaro Drives: 2013 SW 2LT/RS LFX/AY6 Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 1,741	A meth kit probably wouldn't do a whole lot on our cars, as discussed. Just like anything over 93 doesn't really have impressive gains either. Anyway. Gears don't do a whole lot for our cars because they're geared so well. The ideal ratio would be to do the SS 3.45 gears or the Richmond 3.55 gears, because the 3.91s push you out of the power band unless you're running a high HP lower torque build like the IPF super. Good ideas though... Got me thinking again. __________________ K&N CAI, 1LE Strut Tower Brace, Elite Engineering Catch Can and Clean Side Separator, Apex Scoop w/ Washer Relocation Kit, CTS Front Calipers and Rotors, JacFab Ported Intake Manifold, JacFab Intake Manifold Spacer, 80mm Overkill Throttle Body, SS Brake Lines, Ideal Garage Master Cylinder, Monster Twin Disc Clutch, NPP Retrofit w/ Magnaflow Resonated X, ARH Catless Downpipes, JRE Built 3.45 Diff, 1LE Axles, 1LE Hubs, Overkill Tuned, BMR Anti Wheel-hop Kit Stage I, ACS TL1 Hood Insert, ZL1 Spoiler

08-25-2014, 04:06 PM	#3
crc91 Drives: '14 1LS Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Mandeville Posts: 2,166	Well I put 93 octane in now even stock I'm not saying it needs it or anything but if I were to get a tune to access the higher octane tables in the Ecu i should be able to advance timing a bit just by running on 93 octane with a tune for it. Now adding meth and running on 93 should let me advance my timing enough to run a safe at a higher compression ratio ten stock. And by swapping out the pistons for a proper set I could increase compression even more. But the meth kit should keep it at a safe level. Idk like I said it's just a though, I know ips and ipf are proven packages and the easiest way to go to make great power. Just thinking outside the box a bit

08-25-2014, 05:19 PM	#5
crc91 Drives: '14 1LS Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Mandeville Posts: 2,166	Thanks I'll give it a read . Anyone else have any ideas or comments?

08-25-2014, 10:11 PM	#8
crc91 Drives: '14 1LS Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Mandeville Posts: 2,166	Well I will most likely join the ipf SC family when the time comes and funds allow. For now the 3.91 should wake my car up a bit. But was just thinking out loud, I'd love to see a higher compression 350-375crank NA build on our cars one day. Seems like boost is just so easy.

08-25-2014, 10:27 PM	#9
IBM camaro Texas HT5 Drives: IBM Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Tx Posts: 1,335	I was making close to 350-360 natural with e85 and all the mods for the v6

08-25-2014, 10:31 PM	#10
crc91 Drives: '14 1LS Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Mandeville Posts: 2,166	Very interesting, can you compare and contrast that set up from the stock ipf set up(before you added meth and all that goodness)