Car show BS !!!!!!

[Chevy_cowboy]

Originally Posted by jc615

Old or new doesnt matter. If you have a brand new car looks better than the old cars it should win. Thats the fault of the organization for not being upfront and being greedy

I'm not sure I agree with that since making a brand new car look good and keeping a 40-100 year old car looking good are a bit different.

but even if I did, what you think looks good and what the judges think looks good might differ. If you go to car shows solely to win a plastic trophy or a cheap ribbon, you've kinda missed the point.

[pickwithaustin]

Originally Posted by Rcfiddy1

Come on, give those garage queens a break. The owners spend more time cleaning than they do driving. Ill take a day out driving over sitting around waiting to die.

Dirty diaper.

[Chevy_cowboy]

Originally Posted by Angrybird 12

I have been in club sponsered shows where club members were not allowed to be judged for awards. I think that is the fair way to do it.

Yeah I've seen that also, and some shows give awards to newcomers just to avoid the same guy winning every year. Our little local show at the city park does that, there's a feller with a '59 Studebaker Silverhawk thats just stunning, everybody knows his is by far the nicest car at the show and he'd win every year but the best of show often goes to somebody who brings something they hadn't seen before or a recently rescued car rather than the same guy.

[007s 'Vert]

Originally Posted by xk49

I completely disagree. Newer cars are much more complicated to modified in a lot of aspects. Ever try to do a complete audio upgrade on these cars, change the interior, add a supercharger, and I don't mean some shop either(and oh by the way, thats what a lot of people do with the old school stuff, have a shop do it).

The only difference between an old school car and a modern muscle car is the amount of rust.

P.S. Please don't judge my cars "show worthyness" as I just bought it and have many future hours of work ahead of me.

Lol.....Dude! I am in no way judging your cars worthyness....just stating my opinion. If I DID judge your car against other cars that were older classics I would STILL pick them over yours! Just dont get butt hurt when that happens...
These cars are all over the place!, Ya I have seen folks here locally spent lots of time and energy on their cars, modifying them to the point of them deserving a trophy of some sort, and their cars look and perform sweet. but to judges eyes IMO? they just see the same old Camaro that has been out for five years now with some mods put on them, try and not lose any sleep over it, it creates stress.....stress kills. Just try and enjoy your car, and if you really feel like you deserve a trophy, would it help if I send you one? Would that make you feel better?.....suck it up Dude

[jc615]

So you're saying these old cars are just the same old cars that have been around for 20 years so were tired of looking at them?

It sounds like the event had no intention of handing out an award to newer cars and used them to get money. I've seen events like this and do not go to them. There should be clear distinction and split it up between certain year and newer/older and overall show winner. Old cars are nice to look at but most these guys never drive their car except to shows and then back to their garage. I'd rather see a car that gets used and not just sit.

[Chevy_cowboy]

Originally Posted by jc615

So you're saying these old cars are just the same old cars that have been around for 20 years so were tired of looking at them?

It sounds like the event had no intention of handing out an award to newer cars and used them to get money. I've seen events like this and do not go to them. There should be clear distinction and split it up between certain year and newer/older and overall show winner. Old cars are nice to look at but most these guys never drive their car except to shows and then back to their garage. I'd rather see a car that gets used and not just sit.

Don't lump everyone into the same category, I know many classic car owners that drive their cars and wouldn't put it on a trailer for all the money in the world. Cars are meant to be driven, no matter how old or special they are.

But if you really want to see new cars that get used, cruise a mall parkinglot, you'll probably see a couple of each model made.

[jc615]

Thats fine. Not asking you to agree but nobody can disagree my point about using them for money.

[HeaterMan]

Originally Posted by Chevy_cowboy

Nothing personal, but I don't quite understand taking new cars to a car show, and its even sillier to expect a trophy.

I couldn't agree more. I own a new muscle car and a classic. I shake my head at the new challengers, mustangs and Camaros in the shows.

[Chevy_cowboy]

This is why I prefer participating in tractor shows. No silly trophies or ribbons, no judging, and nobody getting butthurt because somebody liked somebody elses tractor better than their own.

[habunow1]

I always ask before is register what classes are they judgeing and look for a modern class like 90's and newer. If they dont have a class like that I wont enter and just look around. It is even better when enough cars show up that they can seperate morden Chevy from Ford and Dodge. I just took best 90 and newer at the last show beating out my wifes Camaro SS with my Supercharged Camaro V6.

[ChrisBlair]

Maybe I can simplify this problem.

In 'old car only' shows, there are many participants- people that entered cars- that feel the same way: "my car" (or a buddy's/clubmember's car) "had no chance to win anything even though it was better/prettier/rarer/more heavily optioned than the winning car. It was fixed."

Maybe. Maybe not. What were the facts?

[Ryanbabz71]

Originally Posted by ChrisBlair

I have seen this a lot. I have also seen a lot of people who don't understand how a judged car show works. Some shows have rules. Example: a convertible must have the top up, or the car is not judged and is ineligible to win anything, as it will not even be judged. might be the best car in the nation. It won't win the show if the roof is down.

1) The show was advertised for any make any year all cars welcome

Did you assume that meant all years cars would be part of judging for trophies? Some cars might not have won any trophies because the cars were not part of judging. "Advertised for any make any year all cars welcome" only means that you can show any year car, and you're welcome to do so. Did they deny the new car owners the ability to show?


2) But when it came to trophy time not one trophy went to a car over 1970 and i was a little put off. Not because my self or any of my buddies did not win . It was because it was apparent the judges where only interested in the old cars.

How did you determine that? Did you talk to the judges or owners and find out what the judging was supposed to be based on, or do you just assume this because no newer cars won anything? If you did not see how the cars were judged or talk to anybody about why certain cars might win or lose, then I'm not sure you even understand how the show works.

3) Next year will we be skipping that show because if you are going to advertise the show is for modern cars as well as oldies they should have a trophy or too go to that group as well.

Did you convey this concern to an organizer, or are you just pissed off based on assumptions? If you spoke to an organizer and they won't listen, then sure, don't go back. If you didn't, then I don't know how your concern will ever be addressed.

4) Believe me there where more then a few modern cars there that where worthy of a trophy .

Based on what? The fact they were cool? How do you know those cars did not legitimately earn less points than the car that won? Cool cars are always cool. But the only award based on that should be the 'People's Choice' trophy.

5) just over looked because of the year there cars where made.

That seems to be an assumption.

Look, car shows are sometimes not "show and shine". Some are events judged by not one group of judges, but many. Sometimes there's a judged portion of a show, and it's just a portion, not the whole thing. How do you even know the cool newer cars were eligible for each trophy? I used to enter a classic car in a show in which there were Oakland experts judging Oaklands, not just any car in the Oakland's class. That group of judges was one of five or six judges for club members only, based on the particular club the cars' owners qualified for and were members of. The same year car by another maker right next to one of those Oaklands, in better shape, would never ever win the trophy. But to the layman that doesn't know...One year my car- which shouldn't win anything- beat a much nice car, same car, in points. I didn't win anything at all, and neither did that other car. But I had more points becasue I didn't lose points by violating rules of judging. My windows were up. His weren't. My hood was open. His wasn't. I was there when the judge showed up. The other guy wasn't.

Some shows are judged on the quality of workmanship alone. Some are not. Can you agree that the quality of workmanship on a 1970 Chevelle, restored so that the correct amount and colors of overspray are present on the underbody, with the proper paper tags on suspension parts, etc, might be comparable or superior to a 2010 Camaro that didn't need restoration?

You need to understand what is being judged and how before you claim judge or show bias. For all you know, the owners of the newer cars could have taken each trophy if they had only read the rules of judging more closely.

Crap had my top down which is how it is meant to be driven




Ryan

[Chevy_cowboy]

Originally Posted by ChrisBlair

Maybe I can simplify this problem.

In 'old car only' shows, there are many participants- people that entered cars- that feel the same way: "my car" (or a buddy's/clubmember's car) "had no chance to win anything even though it was better/prettier/rarer/more heavily optioned than the winning car. It was fixed."

Maybe. Maybe not. What were the facts?

Don't worry, with the way things are going I'm sure there'll soon be car shows where everyone gets an award, so there's no hurt feelings.

[ChrisBlair]

Originally Posted by Ryanbabz71

Crap had my top down which is how it is meant to be driven




Ryan

Unless it happens to be raining.

But while that is how it is meant to be driven, it's not how it is meant to be judged at a show, when judging awards points that determines position in the show.

If your roof is down, how can the judge check the condition of the roof? It might be ripped. it might have a broken rear window. It might be missing altogether.

If the roof is up but the windows aren't up, how can the judge check the window to top weatherstrip seal?

Judged shows are more than 'show and shine', as I explained before. if you want to enter a convertible at a judged show, it behooves you to read the rules of the class you're in. At many shows your car would be ignored by the judges when the roof is down. It's not the judges hating on your car. It's the rules of judging.