2016 Ford Mustang SVT spied testing on the Nürburgring!

[xc_SS/RS]

Originally Posted by Fenderaddict2

This isn't targeting the short-lived Z/28 anyway, so yeah you could use that. The Z/28 was to get the press the Boss did, and it did it well, a fine car. If GM threw 3 cars at the Boss, can't wait to see the response to the GT350. Ford leads, Chevy follows (brilliant Corvette, excluded) which always gives GM the option of pushing the envelope a bit more than the Ford bean counters would allow. Exciting times. I suspect even the base '16 Camaro will be outstanding.

I don't think we really know exactly what Ford is targeting with this model. We can speculate all we want but my money is they are focused on the Z/28 mainly because what else would they set their sights on? Something like this won't compare to the M4 at all because its going to be too raw and too track focused. They won't target the Viper (well they may...) but even the Viper TA can beat a Z/28 around a track. Don't think they'll target a potential Viper ACR either because I highly doubt it would come close to the TA but I don't know I may be eating my words come Monday for all I know. As for targeting the Corvette that may be possible but I have a funny feeling the Z06 will beat it on a track, while the Mustang will be too raw and track focused to target the Stingray.

As far as price I'm thinking it'll be as much as the Z/28. Too much has changed on the car to make it cost under a Z/28 I would imagine.

First Monday I've looked forward too in a while.

[Fenderaddict2]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

Chevy Perspective.... Wasn't the Mustang GT a turd until the reintroduced Camaro SS with LS power pushed Ford to step it up a notch?

The GT500 was a weak answer for Corvette

Exactly. The Camaro in response to the Mustang had a better power plant. Ford in turn stepped up the game and the back and forth continues. I never saw the GT500 as an alternate to the Corvette though, just the top offering for the Ford fans. This new one, with the bogies of the Boss, M3, 911, ZL1 might just give Chevy a new target and direction for the Camaro.

[Fenderaddict2]

Originally Posted by xc_SS/RS

I don't think we really know exactly what Ford is targeting with this model. We can speculate all we want but my money is they are focused on the Z/28 mainly because what else would they set their sights on? Something like this won't compare to the M4 at all because its going to be too raw and too track focused. They won't target the Viper (well they may...) But even the Viper TA can beat a Z/28 around a track. Don't think they'll target a potential Viper ACR either because I highly doubt it would come close to the TA but I don't know I may be eating my words come Monday for all I know.



As far as price I'm thinking it'll be as much as the Z/28. Too much has changed on the car to make it cost under a Z/28 I would imagine.



First Monday I've looked forward too in a while.

Look, they have to answer the Z/28 for their hard core fan boys, but it's bad business to chace such a one dimensional animal. From what I know, the Ford engineers were more impressed with the engineering on the 1LE and ZL/1. In fact, a few laughed about having to partner with Fords racing partner to fealty get the Camaro to dance. Ford, for good or bad, is more margin driven than GM which is more tech driven. Anyway, I don't think this car, at least in one of two trim levels will be that raw. But it will be ferocious while being track capable. I'm thinking more Z06/7 than Z/28. GM won that round although Ford had moved on to another game by then. Looking forward to the Monday myself. Wonder if the new Camaro is at a point in development to respond at launch? In betting that will come shortly thereafter. It really is a great tennis match and my neck is getting a work out from the back and forth.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Fenderaddict2

Exactly. The Camaro in response to the Mustang had a better power plant. Ford in turn stepped up the game and the back and forth continues.

I never saw the GT500 as an alternate to the Corvette though, just the top offering for the Ford fans.

This new one, with the bogies of the Boss, M3, 911, ZL1 might just give Chevy a new target and direction for the Camaro.

Chevy exited the market with the superior car in 02 and set the pace by re-entered with a superior car. In between, the Mustang was just a pretty little secretaries car.

Agree. I've never seen the GT500 as an answer to the Corvette either...but its all you've got.

Chevy set it own direction and has thumped Ford repeatedly with the 1LE, ZL1, Z/28 and generations of Z06. I'm hoping they can answer the call with the GT350 but not holding my breath.

[Fenderaddict2]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

Chevy exited the market with the superior car in 02 THAT MADE THEM NO MONEY, WAS TOO EXPENSIVE FOR ENTHUSIASTS and set the pace by re-entered with a superior car.... I've never seen the GT500 as an answer to the Corvette either...but its all THEY NEED AS SMALL CARS AND TRUCKS ARE FORD'S BREAD AND BUTTER.

Chevy FOLLOWED FORD'S LEAD and has thumped Ford repeatedly with the 1LE, ZL1, AND THE DEAD-END BUT BRILLIANT Z/28.

Fixed.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Fenderaddict2

Fixed.

Maybe Ford should just stick to small cars and trucks.

[xc_SS/RS]

Originally Posted by Fenderaddict2

Look, they have to answer the Z/28 for their hard core fan boys, but it's bad business to chace such a one dimensional animal. From what I know, the Ford engineers were more impressed with the engineering on the 1LE and ZL/1. In fact, a few laughed about having to partner with Fords racing partner to fealty get the Camaro to dance. Ford, for good or bad, is more margin driven than GM which is more tech driven. Anyway, I don't think this car, at least in one of two trim levels will be that raw. But it will be ferocious while being track capable. I'm thinking more Z06/7 than Z/28. GM won that round although Ford had moved on to another game by then. Looking forward to the Monday myself. Wonder if the new Camaro is at a point in development to respond at launch? In betting that will come shortly thereafter. It really is a great tennis match and my neck is getting a work out from the back and forth.

Oh I see what you're getting at. Potentially leaving room for a more track focused option or possibly more luxurious option. Makes more sense that way.

I'm thinking the same for the response from Chevy on the new Camaro. This is really good because we are finally seeing some one high end tech finally being trickled down to the cars that are affordable (some what) by the majority of the population.

[khell86]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

Maybe Ford should just stick to small cars and trucks.

The fanboy is strong in this one.

[SEVEN-OH JOE]

Originally Posted by xc_SS/RS

Oh I see what you're getting at. Potentially leaving room for a more track focused option or possibly more luxurious option. Makes more sense that way.

It's a repeat of the S197 Story. TWO BOSSes begat lots of ink for the name-version, but only ONE was a real road course terror, relatively. Regardless, when people think "BOSS", it's the stats of the LS they think of.

This time around, I think you'll see a GT350, and a "GT350-R". One with a little keener sharpness to its knife blade, and one intended as a more DD-capable "driver". But folks will remember the performance metrics of the -R, and assume ALL GT350s are thus created equal. Which, like the BOSSes, were/are not.

Monday will confirm all our wishes-hopes-dreams-fears.

And GM will have a suitable Gen-6 Camaro response, eventually.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by khell86

The fanboy is strong in this one.

I've praised Ford numerous times in this thread. Just taking exception to this. ...and Yes! I am a Chevy fan

Originally Posted by Fenderaddict2

Ford leads, Chevy follows

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by Fenderaddict2

This isn't targeting the short-lived Z/28 anyway, so yeah you could use that. The Z/28 was to get the press the Boss did, and it did it well, a fine car. If GM threw 3 cars at the Boss, can't wait to see the response to the GT350. Ford leads, Chevy follows (brilliant Corvette, excluded) which always gives GM the option of pushing the envelope a bit more than the Ford bean counters would allow. Exciting times. I suspect even the base '16 Camaro will be outstanding.

I was joking, anyways.

If GM did throw any car at the BOSS, it was the 1LE. The ZL1 wasn't aimed at it and the Z/28 is in another league.

Unless the GT350 is on par with the Z/28 or Cobra Rs of the past, I don't see it being too far off from the 1LE is already.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

I've praised Ford numerous times in this thread. Just taking exception to this. ...and Yes! I am a Chevy fan

Fenderaddict has a point there, if you include only the Mustang and Camaro. They built the Cobra Rs, the Terminators, the BOSS 302s and even Mustangs with IRS way before GM did the Z/28, the ZL1 and the 1LE. For the most part, the biggest update to the Camaro has always been the engines developed mostly for the Corvette. Corvette basically drug the Camaro along and GM did little else with the Camaro.

If you look include the Corvette in the picture, FA is way off base.

[Erik427]

I have a feeling the 2016 Camaro will be different! You Chevy guys have much to look forward too.

[Fenderaddict2]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

Fenderaddict has a point there, if you include only the Mustang and Camaro. They built the Cobra Rs, the Terminators, the BOSS 302s and even Mustangs with IRS way before GM did the Z/28, the ZL1 and the 1LE. For the most part, the biggest update to the Camaro has always been the engines developed mostly for the Corvette. Corvette basically drug the Camaro along and GM did little else with the Camaro.

If you look include the Corvette in the picture, FA is way off base.

I was excluding the Vette as it may carry a Chevy badge but it really is it's own brand and the Performance flagship of GM. Only thing that stops me considering one, is the lack of rear seats. Same reason I got a regular Boss vs a Laguna Seca model although I have gradually brought it up to LS spec.

The Vette rules and Ford for fiscal reasons probably sees no reason to compete head to head in that class. And if they did, they'd be reduced to "follower" no doubt. And before anyone says it, the '05 GT was not aimed at the Vette.