How do you not drive fast?

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by SacraMaro

Once again, I'm saying that if the OP knows he has a speeding problem CC can help with that... Never said it was a full-proof solution, but can help with speeding.

I guess I just can't see how relying on CC like that can possibly be a good thing in the long run. Corollary to the old saw about practice and perfection, less practice at speed control all by himself will not make him better at it (if anything, quite the opposite).


Norm

[ChrisBlair]

Originally Posted by Comrando

Honestly I have no issues. No shaking, chattering, anything.
Maybe I wouldn't have experimented this far if I didn't break my left hip, but so far, so good.



Do you mean mechanical?

You must remember when the left motor mount broke and the throttle was pinned wide open.



A variable vane turbo? Does that connect to a hand or a foot control?

Doesn't that go along with controlling the fuel and air (throttle)?




Because it was computer controlled?



It is going to be great when the metering is adjusted for the temperature, density, humidity, fuel, spark plug condition, etc.

As many hours as the factory spent testing and adjusting for all kinds of conditions it was still optimal only one specific scenario.

Then, when any one of those parameters change the thing won't idle much less have a great response.

I remember sticking a dime under the throttle stop on a cold day so the vehicle would idle. I remember dinking around with a choke to get a car to start below zero. I recall adjusting the idle screw settings when driving through the mountains. How about changing the timing advance? A set of weights and springs in the distributor.

Fuel to air. Change the jets and metering rods. Springs that control the lift of the rods. Cross your fingers.

All trial and error.

I wouldn't spend one cent to go back to those days.

I could spend an hour responding to that, but seriously, why would I bother when you're behaving as if I posted that carburetion is better than fuel injection? I simply noted that I have a car that has a physical throttle cable and it has better throttle response than my SS, and that's even though the car has a carb.

Basically all the things you just posted say "cram it Chris, I don't want to hear any nonsense about the throttle response in my SS"

OK, noted, you don't want to hear it, despite me not being the only person that feels that way. You're right as usual, I can't know what I'm talking about because I'm not you. That's settled.

[wayne watson]

Originally Posted by ChrisBlair

I could spend an hour responding to that, but seriously, why would I bother when you're behaving as if I posted that carburetion is better than fuel injection? I simply noted that I have a car that has a physical throttle cable and it has better throttle response than my SS, and that's even though the car has a carb.

Basically all the things you just posted say "cram it Chris, I don't want to hear any nonsense about the throttle response in my SS"

OK, noted, you don't want to hear it, despite me not being the only person that feels that way. You're right as usual, I can't know what I'm talking about because I'm not you. That's settled.

chris, youjust as well give up. a lot of these guys have never felt the old school, big block, nitrous, 2600 hp, wheels in the air experience

[ChrisBlair]

Don't even need the N02, just need 500+ lb/ft under 3K rpms

but you're probably right Norm.

[two_wheel_mayhem]

Throttle lag is common on vehicles that have servo controlled throttle bodies. You could settle the debate with the fact that some are worse than others.

At least that is what I have found, but what would I know? I work on Harley Davidsons for a living.

[911medic]

Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

Just because you have a driver's license does not mean you get to stop learning (and practicing) the various skills involved. One of which is throttle control. To rely on CC like you suggest is to go out of your way to avoid learning/practicing how to control your car all by yourself. AKA, giving up on yourself. I'd hate to ever admit that to myself, let alone publicly.

Just so you know, there are situations where CC does not work at all, and several more where it is a poor idea to use it. Some of the boldface mine..

Norm

Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

I guess I just can't see how relying on CC like that can possibly be a good thing in the long run. Corollary to the old saw about practice and perfection, less practice at speed control all by himself will not make him better at it (if anything, quite the opposite).

Norm

Your quoted replies above were not directly to me, but since I suggested the use of cruise control earlier in this thread, I'd like to comment.

Wow. I think it's quite a leap to "giving up on yourself" by using cruise control to avoid unknowingly speeding, without any idea of the circumstances under which one would decide to do so.

Example: If, on my commute home on some open stretch of freeway I happen to say, crank some tune, unwind, enjoy the drive and end up speeding without realizing it, and I recognize this may happen and decide to use CC to avoid it (to "rely" on it, as you say, in those instances), I have "given up on myself"?

To assume that I'm suggesting anyone use CC constantly, even in bad weather or road conditions, or that because I use CC under certain conditions to avoid inadvertently speeding means I am not a learned, practiced, skilled driver is silly.

[Selma]

Think about when speeding, you need to pay a fine, it should be able to let you cool. life is more important, your family would worried you.









handy zubehör

[Destructo09]

Get to a track, do some HPDE's or Autocross, that will get it out of your system for a little while. When you get to go as fast as you can for a bit, it kinda makes normal everyday driving feel slow, lol.

[Todd in Vancouver]

Some good points and conversation so just thought I'd throw in my .02.

Lag in throttle response.
Without a question the new stuff isn't even close to what the old hard connect throttles were. Driving down the road in my old hot rod, If you've never owned one you have no idea, but for demonstration try this. Driving down the road say 25mph. Lightly tap the throttle Bap-Bap-Bap say 8 times in 10 seconds. My old hot rod would try and break the tires loose and snap your neck off 8 times in those 10 seconds. New stuff, no way. FYI my project has hard connection MPFI Stealth Ram for the best of both worlds.

Cruise Control.
While I can agree with all points of view I personally find I do all of them. Rush morning, trip on a cat, spill my coffee and forget my days paperwork in my office is the day I hit the highway and the CC just over the limit and try and relax. If I don't I will be doing 100mph within 10 minutes because, well I'm just in a foul mood. Other times I'm doing heel-toe shifts all the way home just to practice.

The old cars were cool and are cool today for fun, heck I'm building a '67 Cmaro SS. And NOTHING can compare to the feeling of the old cars with a Big Block and that very RAW feeling of power and the connection to the car and driving. But, what I find is the new ones are faster and more comfortable and a lot less dramatic. Thats what some of us who had the old Hot Rods miss, the drama. It wasn't always good but it did give a definite thrill, even if it was in fact slower than the new cars. My old racecar with twin fours, port injected nitrous and trailer only was a low ten high 9 second car. I can get there with some bolt ons with my ZL1 and then drive it home. In comfort. Then drive it to work Monday morning. Doesn't mean that I don't miss the "good" old days.

One thing I do notice on forums in general is we all tend to banter back and forth in black and white while the reality is 99% of the time we are living in the grey in between. JMHO.

[Bulldog3071]

Easy don't depress the far right pedal down so far

[Software Guy]

I'm always telling my kids to pay attention to the details. I've been really good the last few days and the cops have been everywhere.

[Brazensol]

Self discipline. Just remember there is a time and place for everything. That said, these cars are deceptive in just how quickly they get up to speed. Always feel like you are going slower than you really are. Without my HUD it would be harder to keep it near the speed limit.

[SSE14]

Originally Posted by Brazensol

Self discipline. Just remember there is a time and place for everything. That said, these cars are deceptive in just how quickly they get up to speed. Always feel like you are going slower than you really are. Without my HUD it would be harder to keep it near the speed limit.

Totally agree. Love the HUD

[TommyTheCat]

I usually shift prematurely to save gas and keep speed down, though I definitely find it easier to obey the speed limits in my rental, a Chevy Sonic