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1KillerSS · 01-15-2015, 08:40 AM

According to what I read, GM themselves have left that "Grey area" alone when it comes to performance enhancing mods, compared to tracking or racing your car.

I am too tired to go back and pull up the cards and take more pictures, but in a nutshell...in the very same paragraph that GM says if you change it and it breaks we don't have to pay, it also says that as long as it doesn't effect any other system you'll be ok.

Leading to the common advice that people give here that you can tune your car, as long as the tune does not lead to you over revving your engine and grenading it. while your warranty may be be void it seems as though its not 100 percent cut and dry.

USMUCL · 01-15-2015, 08:42 AM

Perhaps the best question to ask is, "What's with all these dirty wheel wells?" I've never tracked my car, but clearn wheel wells are a must when you detail.

Anything different is a kin to muddy shoes with a clean suit

ForcFed93 · 01-15-2015, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by 1KillerSS

Leading to the common advice that people give here that you can tune your car, as long as the tune does not lead to you over revving your engine and grenading it. while your warranty may be be void it seems as though its not 100 percent cut and dry.

Tuning your car is a 100% easy out for them. Regardless of what fails in the motor, all they have to do is take the changes made to the ECM, show that it changes the parameters to beyond design basis and at that point, it's literally open and shut for them.

No judge is going to side with you after that.

You can risk it all you want, just like OP decided to risk tracking his car and is now paying the price for it.

1KillerSS · 01-15-2015, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ForcFed93

Tuning your car is a 100% easy out for them. Regardless of what fails in the motor, all they have to do is take the changes made to the ECM, show that it changes the parameters to beyond design basis and at that point, it's literally open and shut for them.

No judge is going to side with you after that.

You can risk it all you want, just like OP decided to risk tracking his car and is now paying the price for it.

Sorry forgive me, I'm a little tired, the point I was attempting to make was that the Owners manual basically is firm and loose at the same time.

Unfortunately for the OP its firm on its "tracking" stance.
says that if your planning on tracking the car to "see warranty details", then when you go to warranty details, it basically tells you that any manner other than "safe driving" (which they state is outlined in the owners manual) is pretty much in violation of the warranty, then as you see they actually throw in the term "racing".

They're direct and to the point, where as in what they call "aftermarket repairs" they are almost giving themselves total discretionary authority over what they will and wont do.

1KillerSS · 01-15-2015, 09:54 AM

Ok so I said more than once, I am tired, and its definately effecting my postings

Here are the links I used straight from GM for warranty.

http://www.chevrolet.com/owners/warranty.html

and the actual Z/28 owners manual straight from GM, to my surprise its actually very broad covering both SS,1LE, ZL1 and Z/28.

http://www.chevrolet.com/owners/chevy-manuals.html

I know this is means little to the op, but maybe the message is study what GM actually has to say about its products VS what the medial says.

Good luck.

oneredry · 01-15-2015, 10:15 AM

IMHO... mods are mods. If you throw a supercharger on your vehicle, then its deemed "modified".

But in this case, GM seems to be contridictive here. WHile they do state in the owners manual that tracking your vehicle does void the warranty, on the other hand it "IS" advertised as track ready. that would be my delima. Don't advertise something, then put it in the books not to.. To me, thast false advertisement. GM would need to go one way or another.

White_SS/RS · 01-15-2015, 10:28 AM

Whos to says his clutch failed because he tracked the car, it was an assumption by the dealer, especially when people are having the problem without ever tracking it. It's like saying, "your car was tracked -no warranty- EVER", and that statement isn't true. GM told him he still has a warranty. Bottom line the clutch system is a problem in these cars -it should be fixed!

The dealer f-ed up here! They should have just started the work, if they came to find out the clutch was burned up and it effected the rest of the system then the OP's on the hook, but they just staight up denied it based on rubber stuck to the wheels. The dealer lost either way you look at it. They lost the warranty work or they lost the work that the OP would have paid on if it truly was abuse. Its money that the dealer never gets and they lost at least one customer in the process.

Jc's1LE · 01-15-2015, 10:36 AM

So from what i hear if you have a problem on the track its covered ?? so is this just for the ZL1?? then is the 1LE a Poser car ??

gajagfan · 01-15-2015, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by oneredry

IMHO... mods are mods. If you throw a supercharger on your vehicle, then its deemed "modified".

But in this case, GM seems to be contridictive here. WHile they do state in the owners manual that tracking your vehicle does void the warranty, on the other hand it "IS" advertised as track ready. that would be my delima. Don't advertise something, then put it in the books not to.. To me, thast false advertisement. GM would need to go one way or another.

Not false at all. I bought a 1LE because of the performance that a "track ready" car can deliver vs. one that is not track ready. If I never planned on playing with this car, that was enough for me. When this vehicle is no longer one of our daily drivers (which will be well outside of the 3/36000 and a good way through the drivetrain warranty) it will have modifications done and be used as a toy. Once those modifications are made, I get that the warranty will most likely be null and void. for what its worth, as of just over 24,000 miles, I have no issues with this vehicle.

ForcFed93 · 01-15-2015, 10:43 AM

The ZL1's (and I believe the Z/28's) have a "track warranty". 1LE does not. That doesn't mean it's a poser car. It just means you pay for that warranty in the purchase price with the ZL1 and Z/28. Period.

Jc's1LE · 01-15-2015, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ForcFed93

The ZL1's (and I believe the Z/28's) have a "track warranty". 1LE does not. That doesn't mean it's a poser car. It just means you pay for that warranty in the purchase price with the ZL1 and Z/28. Period.

Ok I guess i wont be going down to sebring track i need to upgrade to a zl1 WHAT A JOKE !

1KillerSS · 01-15-2015, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Jc's1LE

So from what i hear if you have a problem on the track its covered ?? so is this just for the ZL1?? then is the 1LE a Poser car ??

Again thats a media outlet, show me something from GM.

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Originally Posted by ForcFed93

The ZL1's (and I believe the Z/28's) have a "track warranty". 1LE does not. That doesn't mean it's a poser car. It just means you pay for that warranty in the purchase price with the ZL1 and Z/28. Period.

Please direct me to the separate, "track" warranty's for both models. I believe they exist I just couldn't find it, not even from GM themselves...I looked a long time and came up empty handed.

gajagfan · 01-15-2015, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Jc's1LE

Ok I guess i wont be going down to sebring track i need to upgrade to a zl1 WHAT A JOKE !

Why is it a joke? You got a very capable car for $20K (if you got a 1SS) less than a ZL1. And most likely, if you don't drive like an idiot, you will have no issues, and you still have an extra $20K in your pocket. I will also bet that if you toast the ZL1 engine and they can tell that it was over revved multiple times, you are on your own. Track use vs abuse are still two different things.

90503 · 01-15-2015, 10:56 AM

I wouldn't bet the farm on this but here goes....

Racing, and Competitive Driving are different than Tracking...lol....

Track events which most of us are used to are also called HPDEs...High Performance Driver Education....You can drive with an instructor, then by yourself with no passing, etc.,

Racing and Competitions would entail receiving a trophy, being paid to drive..lol..., receiving prize money or competition type points working up to some sort of "win"...

Tracking is just enjoying your car, improving your driving skills, etc....

We all use the terms synonymously, perhaps to our detriment at the service center, but it may be a fine line perhaps, but I do believe there is a difference...

The only common denominator is the interpretation of "abuse"....

Hope this adds to the arguing and confusion....lol...

01-15-2015, 08:40 AM	#169
1KillerSS Too much is never enough! Drives: AGP TT SS [COTW] 4/20/15 Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 4,149 View My Garage	According to what I read, GM themselves have left that "Grey area" alone when it comes to performance enhancing mods, compared to tracking or racing your car. I am too tired to go back and pull up the cards and take more pictures, but in a nutshell...in the very same paragraph that GM says if you change it and it breaks we don't have to pay, it also says that as long as it doesn't effect any other system you'll be ok. Leading to the common advice that people give here that you can tune your car, as long as the tune does not lead to you over revving your engine and grenading it. while your warranty may be be void it seems as though its not 100 percent cut and dry. __________________ AGP TT kit, 54/57 Forged rotating assembly, Custom grind cam... Dual nozzle meth, ID850's, Livernois dual fuel pumps, ECS BAP, 25% UDP, 3 inch Magnaflow catback with X pipe, Mantic 9000 clutch, DSS 1000hp axles, DSS aluminum driveshaft, ZL1 rear end, solid subframe bushings, HE differential offset bushings, BMR Trailing arm, BMR toe rods, Lingenfelter LNC-2000,SJM Line Lock. 747 whp 714wtq *Build thread* http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...55#post8107855

01-15-2015, 09:54 AM	#173
1KillerSS Too much is never enough! Drives: AGP TT SS [COTW] 4/20/15 Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Toledo,OH Posts: 4,149 View My Garage	Ok so I said more than once, I am tired, and its definately effecting my postings Here are the links I used straight from GM for warranty. http://www.chevrolet.com/owners/warranty.html and the actual Z/28 owners manual straight from GM, to my surprise its actually very broad covering both SS,1LE, ZL1 and Z/28. http://www.chevrolet.com/owners/chevy-manuals.html I know this is means little to the op, but maybe the message is study what GM actually has to say about its products VS what the medial says. Good luck. __________________ AGP TT kit, 54/57 Forged rotating assembly, Custom grind cam... Dual nozzle meth, ID850's, Livernois dual fuel pumps, ECS BAP, 25% UDP, 3 inch Magnaflow catback with X pipe, Mantic 9000 clutch, DSS 1000hp axles, DSS aluminum driveshaft, ZL1 rear end, solid subframe bushings, HE differential offset bushings, BMR Trailing arm, BMR toe rods, Lingenfelter LNC-2000,SJM Line Lock. 747 whp 714wtq *Build thread* http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...55#post8107855 Last edited by 1KillerSS; 01-15-2015 at 09:56 AM. Reason: broken web links.

01-15-2015, 10:28 AM	#175
White_SS/RS Drives: 14 1LE Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 1,567	Whos to says his clutch failed because he tracked the car, it was an assumption by the dealer, especially when people are having the problem without ever tracking it. It's like saying, "your car was tracked -no warranty- EVER", and that statement isn't true. GM told him he still has a warranty. Bottom line the clutch system is a problem in these cars -it should be fixed! The dealer f-ed up here! They should have just started the work, if they came to find out the clutch was burned up and it effected the rest of the system then the OP's on the hook, but they just staight up denied it based on rubber stuck to the wheels. The dealer lost either way you look at it. They lost the warranty work or they lost the work that the OP would have paid on if it truly was abuse. Its money that the dealer never gets and they lost at least one customer in the process. __________________ LMS Engineering

01-15-2015, 10:43 AM	#178
ForcFed93 Drives: 2001 2500HD Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Topeka, KS Posts: 213	The ZL1's (and I believe the Z/28's) have a "track warranty". 1LE does not. That doesn't mean it's a poser car. It just means you pay for that warranty in the purchase price with the ZL1 and Z/28. Period. __________________ 2001 ECSB 2500HD

01-15-2015, 08:42 AM	#170
USMUCL Drives: 2021 Camaro 1SS 1LE Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Virginia Posts: 406	Perhaps the best question to ask is, "What's with all these dirty wheel wells?" I've never tracked my car, but clearn wheel wells are a must when you detail. Anything different is a kin to muddy shoes with a clean suit

01-15-2015, 10:15 AM	#174
oneredry HYPER SS Drives: 2016 Supercharged 2SS Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Troy OH Posts: 1,252	IMHO... mods are mods. If you throw a supercharger on your vehicle, then its deemed "modified". But in this case, GM seems to be contridictive here. WHile they do state in the owners manual that tracking your vehicle does void the warranty, on the other hand it "IS" advertised as track ready. that would be my delima. Don't advertise something, then put it in the books not to.. To me, thast false advertisement. GM would need to go one way or another.

01-15-2015, 10:56 AM	#182
90503 Drives: 2011 2SS/RS LS3 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Torrance Posts: 14,572	I wouldn't bet the farm on this but here goes.... Racing, and Competitive Driving are different than Tracking...lol.... Track events which most of us are used to are also called HPDEs...High Performance Driver Education....You can drive with an instructor, then by yourself with no passing, etc., Racing and Competitions would entail receiving a trophy, being paid to drive..lol..., receiving prize money or competition type points working up to some sort of "win"... Tracking is just enjoying your car, improving your driving skills, etc.... We all use the terms synonymously, perhaps to our detriment at the service center, but it may be a fine line perhaps, but I do believe there is a difference... The only common denominator is the interpretation of "abuse".... Hope this adds to the arguing and confusion....lol...