ls camaro burning >1.5 quarts every 1000 miles

[pepceee]

I heard back from the dealership today. The customer experience manager said "the technician must have made a mistake putting 6 quarts low, no way that's possible, that's an error".

Without looking at the car, seeing the level of oil, or talking to the technician, he immediately concludes that the guy who watched the oil drain out of my car had to have made a mistake and my car wasn't that low, without any evidence. Why be defensive and discredit your own technician without seeing it yourself, why automatically assume the technician is wrong.

I'm glad that the tech documented 6 quarts because it seems like they may try to continue to downplay and fight me on the issue when it gets time to resolve the issue.

[arkentect]

The LLT does have a history of burning oil... its def documented well on this site. Just be very careful and check your oil everytime you fill your gas tank. My car was fine on oil and still had a bearing failure (seperate GM issue) so I cant imagine what an LLT would do on low oil.

[Outlaw77]

Originally Posted by pepceee

You would think there would be a lot of smoke coming out of the back, but no. also no leaks at all. A buddy of mine works at a gm dealership and I looked at it under the lift myself. Also Im pretty confident if there was a leak that drastic the dealership would have addressed that instead of being as confused as me right now. So the big question is... since its not smoking like a chimney and no oil leaking I have no idea where the oil is going.

I dont know about the compression tests, but after these oil consumptions tests ill go from there. Ill keep an eye out on it and let you know what I find out. It may be a few months until this gets resolved but ill update this when I have more information.

Interesting. I would definitely get a compression test done and I would be curious to see what the spark plugs looked like as well. Do you have a catch can installed?

[maddoggyusa]

if you're losing that much oil... seems like there are only a few likely possibilities

1) burning oil through rings
2) PCV dumping oil into intake
3) bad external leaks

compression test is good. leakdown test is better. I'd also check your intake to see if any oil is going through there.

if the cylinder walls are damaged, new rings won't help. which would explain why you're still having problems. burning oil will eventually cause your cats to fail... as they'll get clogged up.

If they can't fix, I'd keep pushing for a new engine. and have them inspect the cats same time.

[wildtomild]

I bought my 2010 lt1 with zero miles, it did not use a drop until about 100,00 miles.....im at 256,000 now burning a quart every 1000 miles

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by wildtomild

I bought my 2010 lt1 with zero miles, it did not use a drop until about 100,00 miles.....im at 256,000 now burning a quart every 1000 miles

I thought the LT1 was coming back in the 6th Gen

[nyrfan]

Originally Posted by Ragnar

I thought the LT1 was coming back in the 6th Gen

LT1....what?


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[daveyio87]

this could be considered fraud but... since you do have a problem, you could drain some oil during the oil consumption test and take it in to have them check it and it would be more than 2 quarts low.... or drain the engine of oil, run it until it starts making noise then fill it back up.... GM states that 1 quart per 2000 miles is normal... Just make sure your vehicle is still under the powertrain warranty...

[Rock-It Man]

Originally Posted by nyrfan

What the hell are you taking about, maybe you should go back and read. We are talking about a low oil warning indicator, nowhere were we talking about a low pressure warning. Obviously there is a difference between the 2!!



The question was:



So I stand by my answer. All years on the SS have a LOW OIL WARNING INDICATOR light.

Yes there is a difference. There is no oil level warning on mtg 2010. Only an oil pressure warning.

Read the manual, please.

[Mels RS]

Originally Posted by daveyio87

this could be considered fraud but... since you do have a problem, you could drain some oil during the oil consumption test and take it in to have them check it and it would be more than 2 quarts low.... or drain the engine of oil, run it until it starts making noise then fill it back up.... GM states that 1 quart per 2000 miles is normal... Just make sure your vehicle is still under the powertrain warranty...

Could be considered fraud? I would say that it would definitely be fraud!
One would intentionally be falsifying evidence.

[Ragnar]

Originally Posted by nyrfan

LT1....what?


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I was just poking at mildtowild, just preparing him for the forum, look at what he drives. Nice to see someone getting a lot of use out of there car.

[KMPrenger]

OP,

You definitely need to keep an eye on this. 2 quarts every 1000 miles is TOO MUCH...even for the LLT...which is known to eat up oil. Mine doesn't seem to, but then again I only have under 17,000 miles on my car and I do oil changes around every 3,000 miles.

Here is a tip for you. Do not check the oil when you engine is hot. Check it when its cool...say in the morning before you take it out for the day. I have read in multiple cases where the LLT gave incorrect oil dipstick readings when checked hot, and oil was added, and the next thing you know there is too much oil in the car.

It was very possible that when you mentioned checking the oil just before leaving at the dealership that the reading you got was incorrect due to the engine being hot and the oil not having fully drained back into the pan yet.

The LLT also has issues with bearings going out, which eats the oil and ultimately can mean the death of your engine. The best explanation I've been told is that the issue is usually caused by the engine not being ran long enough over multiple drives to get hot enough to burn off fuel/water contaminates in the oil. These contaminates eventually lead to the failure of the bearings.

I agree with an earlier poster saying you should open up your intake and have a look at the amount of oil in the intake (of course, the dealership may have already cleaned that out, but still could be worth a look if you getting a lot of intake consumption). Just remove the top lid thing off the top of the intake and take a look. Back bolt or two might be difficult to get to, but overall should be easy.

In the end, you really should be documenting what is happening so you can arm yourself for a potential engine failure. Not to mention, lower oil levels also seem to increase the failure rate of the timing chain, which you may also need to have changed.

[DanK]

Yeah, be very careful. This is a well documented issue with the LLT engine. If you do some searching with terms like "llt, timing chain, p0008, oil consumption" you will see the scary world you are now in. It made my awesome car I loved become something I was afraid of driving anywhere. I screwed up in some ways, but this is a issue with this engine. GM is trying to dance around it. My post is here: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=405421 and in it near the bottom I mention some other threads. As mentioned before, there are many posts on the issue here, and if you do some searching you see many mentions of it in the Cadillac, Traverse, and Arcadias that use the same engine.

Sounds like you got "initiated" before it started stretching the chains, and you are in warranty(?) which bodes well. I'd talk to the service manager, and if he doesn't know of the issue either he sucks or is lying.

Good luck, Hope you get the right answers.

Dan

[captaincog]

Originally Posted by itsnotacrisis

I am not trying to stir the shite here, but since I drive a V6, this thread, and the resulting discussions, do interest me.
Now, I have always relied on my dipsticks to check the oil level in my cars, and the red light in my dashboards has always been an "idiot" light warning about low oil pressure. For 35+ years now. That being said, while I wouldn't rely on them completely, the discussion about "low oil level" versus "low oil pressure" indicators got my interest, so I checked my 2013 owners manual. I read that the red light in the dashboard, that looks like an oil can, is called the "Engine Oil Pressure Light", and if triggered, there would also be a message in the DIC. However, I couldn't find anything in the manual about a low oil level light, but I did find this bit about a message that may come up in the DIC:

ENGINE OIL LOW

— ADD OIL

On some vehicles, this message

displays when the engine oil level

may be too low. Check the oil level

before filling to the recommended

level. If the oil is not low and this

message remains on, take the

vehicle to your dealer for service.

See Engine Oil on page 10‑13.

"On some vehicles"?? Really?? How does one tell if their car has this feature? Anyone know for certain? (short of draining the oil to a low level and running the car of course....)

I got this message once on my '13 1LS only because I was working and therefore driving so many hours I had stretched my oil change interval past what I should and then it was only on a hill. No issues since.