2017 Chevrolet Corvette Zora ZR1

[Apex Motorsports]

Originally Posted by Firefighter

I got from that link maybe we are talking Caddy? Doesn't make sense to me though. I could see a Caddy version and a Chevy version that could sell enough to make it profitable.

IDK, we'll see... Either way I'm planning for a C8 in the garage and my son gets the Camaro.

See, I think keeping the Corvette front/mid and introducing a rear/mid Cadillac halo car makes a lot more sense. You obviously don't get the benefits of sharing development costs but the Corvette program is doing just fine without any help. A world class mid engine super car from Cadillac would be great for the Cadillac brand and GM.

[Denis]

Originally Posted by shaffe

Over priced yes, but Cadillac needs a car like that IMO

I don't think Cadillac NEEDS a exotic mid engine super car. its a luxury car brand that also makes a few hi-po offshoots of their cars. much like an AMG or M.

[Camaro_Corvette]

Originally Posted by Denis

I don't think Cadillac NEEDS a exotic mid engine super car. its a luxury car brand that also makes a few hi-po offshoots of their cars. much like an AMG or M.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by Denis

I don't think Cadillac NEEDS a exotic mid engine super car. its a luxury car brand that also makes a few hi-po offshoots of their cars. much like an AMG or M.

Originally Posted by Camaro_Corvette

I was talking about the XLR, the Cadillac roadster lol. Not a super car like the Cien

Totally agree Cadillac doesn't need a exotic

[Firefighter]

Originally Posted by Apex Motorsports

See, I think keeping the Corvette front/mid and introducing a rear/mid Cadillac halo car makes a lot more sense. You obviously don't get the benefits of sharing development costs but the Corvette program is doing just fine without any help. A world class mid engine super car from Cadillac would be great for the Cadillac brand and GM.

My question with a Caddy only car is how on earth do they recover the development cost?

It would run anywhere from $500M to $1B. I mean a decade ago didn't it run a Billion to develop the Fifth Gen Camaro?

I read an article in the Feb '15 R&T with Bob Lutz saying that the C7 was intended to be a Mid Engine going as far back as 2003. There were mock ups of a Corvette and an XLR. Then the money troubles of 2005 hit. We've also recently seen the cobbled together from Holden parts Test Mule. I think (I want to believe) there is something being planned.

Also that new Ford GT has got to have Tadge and alot of GM executives pissed.

Like any good Firefighter if I see smoke I believe there is fire somewhere causing it.

No matter I wouldn't be in the market for the top end TT V8 bad ass but the Grand Sport equivalent yeah, that I'll be able to swing.

Here's to hoping...

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[Bhobbs]

Cadillac needs to figure out how to sell the CTS and ATS before they try to take on Lamborghini and Ferrari. The Corvette going to a mid/rear set up is a logical evolution. Cadillac releasing a mid/rear supercar makes no sense at this point.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

Cadillac needs to figure out how to sell the CTS and ATS before they try to take on Lamborghini and Ferrari. The Corvette going to a mid/rear set up is a logical evolution. Cadillac releasing a mid/rear supercar makes no sense at this point.

+1

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by shaffe

Over priced yes, but Cadillac needs a car like that IMO

Originally Posted by Apex Motorsports

See, I think keeping the Corvette front/mid and introducing a rear/mid Cadillac halo car makes a lot more sense. You obviously don't get the benefits of sharing development costs but the Corvette program is doing just fine without any help. A world class mid engine super car from Cadillac would be great for the Cadillac brand and GM.

As much as I hate agreeing with shaffe, Cadillac needs something like the R8. $100-150k luxury mid-engine car to showcase technology and performance for GM. I don't think it needs to be "exotic" but something in the SLS, 911, R8 segment.

[shaffe]

You be careful MEDISIN or we might end up friends hahahaha

[BMR Sales]

GM/Corvette have been down this road at least 3 Times

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1970



1972?





Even Chrysler had a Cool Mid-Engine Car

[Firefighter]

Originally Posted by BMR Sales

GM/Corvette have been down this road at least 3 Times

1964



1970



1972?





Even Chrysler had a Cool Mid-Engine Car

You showed the Aero Vette twice. It did have two different motor configurations iirc, a V8 and a Turbo V6. There were the CERV concepts in the 80's and 90's I believe.

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[Apex Motorsports]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

As much as I hate agreeing with shaffe, Cadillac needs something like the R8. $100-150k luxury mid-engine car to showcase technology and performance for GM. I don't think it needs to be "exotic" but something in the SLS, 911, R8 segment.

Exactly. Like I said about the new Ford GT, a $300,000-400,000 car makes no sense. But mid $100,000 does all day and would make a bold statement on the global market for GM.

[NASTY99Z28]

Originally Posted by Apex Motorsports

Exactly. Like I said about the new Ford GT, a $300,000-400,000 car makes no sense. But mid $100,000 does all day and would make a bold statement on the global market for GM.

Could they price it so close to the z06? I would love for a small cube high revving dohc with some twins!!!!!

[DGthe3]

Originally Posted by Denis

I don't think Cadillac NEEDS a exotic mid engine super car. its a luxury car brand that also makes a few hi-po offshoots of their cars. much like an AMG or M.

And what if its that very perception, that they're 'only' a luxury brand with a couple performance models tossed in, that they want to change?

Originally Posted by Firefighter

My question with a Caddy only car is how on earth do they recover the development cost?

It would run anywhere from $500M to $1B. I mean a decade ago didn't it run a Billion to develop the Fifth Gen Camaro?

A billion is more or less the standard cost for developing a new car these days. Even more if it requires some radical technical innovation or techniques that the company is unfamiliar with (the Volt with its hybrid powertrain supposedly cost a billion and a half, and was based off of the Cruze's platform)

Anyway, the chances of a mid-engined Cadillac to pay back its R&D budget through sales are about the same as the chances for a mid-engined Corvette to pay back its R&D budget: approximately 0. Same goes for the Ford GT, the Lexus LFA, and the Acura NSX.


With special performance halo cars like these, there is usually no expectation that the OEM will make the money back selling the car. Its a marketing exercise, "hey, lookee what we can do!". That gets people talking about the brand, and ultimately brings more people into the showroom -many of whom wouldn't have considered the brand before. That is how they get greenlit. And when automakers routinely spend a couple billion on advertising each year, they can skim a bit from a brands ad budget to pay for halo-car losses.

Originally Posted by Firefighter

Also that new Ford GT has got to have Tadge and alot of GM executives pissed.

Like any good Firefighter if I see smoke I believe there is fire somewhere causing it.

GM hasn't really cared about the GT40/GT in the past. Why would they now?