March 2015 Camaro Sales Figures (and vs. Mustang & Challenger)

[LS1ftw]

Originally Posted by ss/rs/378

I must be missing something where did the Challenger out sell the Camaro I must be blind lol!!

March 2015 (Last Month)

[Q'smuscle]

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Originally Posted by 87GNX

Nah a 4 door this time.

Ohhhh, the new one CTS-V . Yea, those are nice in the four door form. The ATS-V coupe looks sweet in two door form. Can't wait to see when you get it. I might need to come all the way from SoCal for that just to see it.

Originally Posted by 87GNX

Both. My newphew sold his 2011 SS for a 2009 Mustang GT supercharged and a few others traded thier SS for a the 15, but once the 6th gen hits, im sure they might switch back. This is an addictive hobby.

Oh , Ok! And yea , I can see!

[titanfan]

Originally Posted by Q'smuscle

Hahaha....... I just seen a yellow one and it looked horrible. The GT350 might be your winner because it is sweet looking! I can't deny that!

I just can't seriously consider the opinion of anyone who states, "I just seen...".

[Red2014SS]

I think Challenger sales are doing well because out of all three manufacturers, Dodge has really stuck to the retro look styling. Sometimes I have to do a double take when I see a new Challenger to make sure it isn't an old one. Chevy began to drift away from retro with the '14-'15 update, and I think the '16 will be worse.

The new Mustangs are so far away from the original look, they are almost starting to look Japanese. I think Ford can get away with it because so many kids developed brand loyalty with the Fox body Mustangs in the past. Ford never really stopped making the Mustang, so they didn't lose a whole generation of buyers.

Chevrolet is in a unique situation with the Camaro. Personally, I feel they will do best if they stay retro. 1st and 2nd Gen cars have huge popularity, and seeing modern remakes really excites a lot of people. I don't think that will happen though... I think Chevy will chase those Mustang sales with a more modern Camaro. I hope it works out ok.

I have never owned a Dodge in my life. I will tell you one thing though.... If they were to do a good remake of the 1968 Charger, I would be first in line to buy one. Dodge is missing the boat by ignoring that car.

[Criticalmass]

Originally Posted by Front Runner

The refreshed 15 Challenger sold 154 more cars than the outgoing Camaro. It barely outsold an outgoing model with their refreshed model. I would be concerned if I were Dodge if this trend continues. When the G6 Camaro hits, I think we'll see similar numbers like the Mustang is showing but the Challenger will be the same or less.

The Challenger doesn't appeal to many women. Hence, less sales. Ask yourself when was the last time you saw a woman driving a Challenger? It's rare.

[Criticalmass]

Originally Posted by Q'smuscle

Our California neighbor friendship is over ! Lol... J/p




You guys like the front?????? And I'll say the car don't look nice in black.

The tail lights look really cheap to me. In fact they look worse than the front of the car IMO.

The 13's and 14's tail lights were much better. I guess that's why I bought a 14 (one of the reasons anyway).

[doc7000]

This certainly is a Camaro Mustang fight at this moment, with the Mustang really taking sales away from the Camaro. I just don't see the current Challenger being a competitor to the Camaro and Mustang (meaning people who buy a Challenger generally aren't looking at the Mustang or Camaro).

On the other hand rental sales and incentive spending also have an impact on sale performance.

While the Mustang has been pushing around 25% fleet sales I don't expect early sales to be to fleet customers (at least not many). The Mustang is just the newer car, and it is dramatically improved (though some on here do not like the design, seems to correlate with success more then failure).

I honestly expect to see the Mustang peak this year at around 15,000 units in a month before tapering off to a more sustainable rate.

[Red2014SS]

I think the fact that Ford offers a 4 cyl version also helps the Mustangs sales numbers. Especially for Fleet buyers and young kids getting a first new car. You can buy a brand new Mustang with the ecoboost, and ecoboost exterior package (kinda like an RS package) for about $389 a month. The Mustang crosses several platforms - Muscle car, 4 banger ecobox, women's coupe... etc.. I am no fan of it, but I can see how it's tough to match those numbers.

That equals a lot of sales. I hope Chevy offers a boosted 4 banger in the Camaro.

I think some buyers look at all three brands - Muscle car buyers.
After that, you've got women looking strictly at Mustangs.... maybe a Camaro too
and a few dudes who only want the Charger

[PoorMansCamaro]

Originally Posted by Red2014SS

I think the fact that Ford offers a 4 cyl version also helps the Mustangs sales numbers. Especially for Fleet buyers and young kids getting a first new car. You can buy a brand new Mustang with the ecoboost, and ecoboost exterior package (kinda like an RS package) for about $389 a month. The Mustang crosses several platforms - Muscle car, 4 banger ecobox, women's coupe... etc.. I am no fan of it, but I can see how it's tough to match those numbers.

That equals a lot of sales. I hope Chevy offers a boosted 4 banger in the Camaro.

I think some buyers look at all three brands - Muscle car buyers.
After that, you've got women looking strictly at Mustangs.... maybe a Camaro too
and a few dudes who only want the Charger

isn't the turbo 4 the middle engine package for mustang? I don't think the fleet buyers are buying the middle tier package. most likely the cheaper v6.

[MagnumForceGB]

I love how on this forum people talk like women are lesser creatures that don't deserve to drive the same cars as men.

[squat]

I'd be interested to see how many of the challenger sales are because of the hellcat. Not everyone can afford one but hey, an R/T or even a V6 looks pretty good when you're in a dealership drooling over the hellcat.

[Red2014SS]

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro

isn't the turbo 4 the middle engine package for mustang? I don't think the fleet buyers are buying the middle tier package. most likely the cheaper v6.

Yes, it is middle tier with the ecoboost turbo. The V6 is the bottom tier, but it's only a 2k difference. I was just using the ecoboost as an example. I do think it has helped the sales of the car tremendously. You're right about the rental companies and the V6. I apologize for not being more specific.

Originally Posted by MagnumForceGB

I love how on this forum people talk like women are lesser creatures that don't deserve to drive the same cars as men.

I never said anything bad about women or that they don't deserve to drive the same cars... and I don't think anyone else did either. It's just an observation - I have never seen a woman driving a Challenger, and I rarely see them in Camaros. Maybe 1 out of 50, and it's usually an LT model. Mustangs? It's 50-50 that the driver is a chick. Maybe it's different where you live.. that's just how it is around here.

Originally Posted by squat

I'd be interested to see how many of the challenger sales are because of the hellcat. Not everyone can afford one but hey, an R/T or even a V6 looks pretty good when you're in a dealership drooling over the hellcat.

That's a good point. I bet a lot of guys walk into Dodge dealers to check out the Hellcat and drive out in a cheaper model.

[doc7000]

Originally Posted by Red2014SS

I think the fact that Ford offers a 4 cyl version also helps the Mustangs sales numbers. Especially for Fleet buyers and young kids getting a first new car. You can buy a brand new Mustang with the ecoboost, and ecoboost exterior package (kinda like an RS package) for about $389 a month. The Mustang crosses several platforms - Muscle car, 4 banger ecobox, women's coupe... etc.. I am no fan of it, but I can see how it's tough to match those numbers.

That equals a lot of sales. I hope Chevy offers a boosted 4 banger in the Camaro.

I think some buyers look at all three brands - Muscle car buyers.
After that, you've got women looking strictly at Mustangs.... maybe a Camaro too
and a few dudes who only want the Charger

The overall view of the market place is more complex then what people often consider/think of. Early models of these cars are generally also heavily biased toward the V-8 model, I expect the 2015 Mustang to be no different with something as high as 60% or more being GT models for the first model year. Anyway you look at it this car was going to move a lot of metal, it probably attracts a lot of people who generally have no interest in these types of vehicles.

Truth be told, the Camaro may not need to offer an I-4 turbo charged engine if they can match ecoboost fuel economy with the V-6 engine. Considering that the LGX has AFM it likely will be able to match ecoboost fuel economy while producing 335BHP (more then both the ecoboost and 3.7L V-6 Mustang) and potentially make its power on 87 octane (ecoboost Mustang needs 91 octane).

If GMs new V-6 engine can trump both the ecoboost 2.3 and 3.7 V-6 should GM produce a turbo 4?.

[el ess A]

Well, let's see...

there's a big picture here that most people here miss. Camaro5, and however many other Camaro fan sites combined certainly didn't amass 1/2 million 5th gen Camaro sales. No way. So people buy them for reasons only known to them. We're just a rabid Camaro-fan sector. A very small chunk (and very vocal part of it) of the Camaro Nation.

A few points about what motivates sales and human nature were made in this thread, some with merit, some, perhaps not as much about facts but emotional pleas.

One can only speculate what draws buyers to the Mustang, Challenger, or Camaro.

To wit: Camaro is basically unchanged in the last 10 years (if you count the prototype and pre-production years). Mustang got a new style, yet still looks like a typical Mustang with Camaro cues (Ford CAN learn it seems). Challenger got a new refresh a little, so a bump in sales for the next "new" thing is typical. Happens all the time.

So it is understandable the Camaro FINALLY loses a little steam and starts to struggle. Nothing to be ashamed about. You're using mainly the same car for that long, market saturation only goes so far. Hey, look at the NY Yankees. They're always in the mix, but not always on top. Yet they have a zillion fans. Some are fair-weather fans, some are pinstripe tattooed. Same thing here.

PART of the Camaro sales figures is that the 2015s aren't fire sale prices yet. And yes, SOME people are not buying yet waiting on the 6th gen.

If the 6th gen is accepted wholesale, the 2015s will hit basement bargain prices. If not, you'll see people scrambling to get the last "good" generation Camaro off the lots. It'll be interesting to see what happens after 5/16. If buyers simply see the 6th gen as a smaller 5th gen, sales won't hold past the initial surge of "gotta have the new thing first" crowd.

Challenger numbers, although better than expected, are pretty dismal as pointed out in comparison to the "old" 5th gen. As we move forward, we'll see Challenger numbers drop off as well.

Mustang? Hard to say. All the cars in the hunt are sold far more than to us website forum junkies. Global products/marketing/availability and importantly, pricing, have a huge effect on sales. But remember, sales don't always mean happy or return customers.

My prediction- by fall, Camaro will be back on top.