Motor Trends Best Driver's Car Competition 2009 - Page 5 - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums

*radz28* · 08-24-2009, 11:24 AM

10th?! It's in pretty tough company though... It doesn't change my mind

Jiu Jitsu Jon · 08-24-2009, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by S8ER01Z

ironically the GT500 owner a few feet away from him was cool as hell and we ended up chatting it up for a while without any biased fanboy crap.

Just from what I've observed online, the GT500 owners seem to be more knowledgable about cars and what other cars can do performance-wise than the typical Mustang owner. No offense to anyone, that's just my own generalization.

BAD BRAD · 08-24-2009, 02:59 PM

why cant they get some real people to work for them

len56 · 08-24-2009, 03:06 PM

Well, they're right about the Porsche

levi1922 · 08-24-2009, 03:07 PM

the MX5, is loved by alot of people for its low price and snapping handling, even top gear loves it, just saying.

Operator · 08-24-2009, 03:28 PM

how many of you actually watched the hotlap/commentary video of the driver taking the SS for a spin?
http://www.motortrend.com/av/feature...lap/index.html

I get that this is a Camaro forum... but let's face it, it's not the best handling car in the world. I find it to be complimentary that the car was even considered for this comparison honestly...

Mosher · 08-24-2009, 03:35 PM

Camaro SS did something amazing, it beat a Nismo 370z around a legit road course. How much did the SS cost? How much did the NISMO 370z cost? That's amazing to me.

ZR1 took no prisoners.

Why didn't they just not bother going to a track? Since they are not going to use numbers to back up there statements why not call this for what it is? It's a popularity contest. It's nothing but imo biased opinion.

S8ER01Z · 08-24-2009, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jiu Jitsu Jon

Just from what I've observed online, the GT500 owners seem to be more knowledgable about cars and what other cars can do performance-wise than the typical Mustang owner. No offense to anyone, that's just my own generalization.

Yeah I've noticed the same thing... of course the kind of person who aims for something like the GT500 is usually a car enthusiest to begin with so it all makes sense.

n!ght r!der · 08-24-2009, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by rodimus prime

LOL look at this stupid graph.

MT is fcking stupid if they think a miata is better than any other car on that list..... i can understand the audi r8 in the top 3 but really....

anthonybyram · 08-24-2009, 03:49 PM

Does it sound like I care WHAT Motor Trend says????????? I LOVE my new Camaro, AND........The sales numbers speak for themselves!

Operator · 08-24-2009, 04:01 PM

Again, I realize this is a Camaro forum, and that we all love the Camaro... but why does everyone bash on the Miata so much?

Drove one at one of those Mazda Zoom-Zoom events and it really is a lot of fun to drive... very communicative and agile. Not sure I would want to own one for day-to-day driving but I don't get why it's bashed so hard.

OK, fine, I get it, it's girly... but a real automotive/driving fan can look past the "image" I think...

S8ER01Z · 08-24-2009, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Operator

Again, I realize this is a Camaro forum, and that we all love the Camaro... but why does everyone bash on the Miata so much?

Drove one at one of those Mazda Zoom-Zoom events and it really is a lot of fun to drive... very communicative and agile. Not sure I would want to own one for day-to-day driving but I don't get why it's bashed so hard.

OK, fine, I get it, it's girly... but a real automotive/driving fan can look past the "image" I think...

x2...

Kurt_OH · 08-24-2009, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Operator

Again, I realize this is a Camaro forum, and that we all love the Camaro... but why does everyone bash on the Miata so much?

Drove one at one of those Mazda Zoom-Zoom events and it really is a lot of fun to drive... very communicative and agile. Not sure I would want to own one for day-to-day driving but I don't get why it's bashed so hard.

OK, fine, I get it, it's girly... but a real automotive/driving fan can look past the "image" I think...

The people bashing it are the same people to scream as soon as any statement complimenting another car is made, or any statement discussing an imperfection of the Camaro is made.

These AREN'T "automotive/driving fans".

Mosher · 08-24-2009, 04:26 PM

Miata is fine. All the cars in this review are fine. The problem I have is they try to Quantify what is really just there opinion, with numbers gained at the track. Simple fix would be to have 2 ratings, 1.) is what place the car was at the track, and then 2.) what car they "LIKED" the most. Trying to use some funky graph and say that the ZR1 is not as good as the 5 cars above it when it Molly wopped everything there, just because they don't like it, is the crux of the problem.

It's a bit like telling Lance Armstrong that, well, he will be 6th not 1st in the tour de france because he looks funny riding the bike and all he did was go fast in the straights.

In the end, it just goes to show that, the most important thing you can do when contemplating buying a new car is take it for a spin. YOUR judgement on what is good and bad is the most important. They are not going to be paying that bill every month.

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Operator Drives: Porsche 944S, Camaro LS Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: NYC area Posts: 29	how many of you actually watched the hotlap/commentary video of the driver taking the SS for a spin? http://www.motortrend.com/av/feature...lap/index.html I get that this is a Camaro forum... but let's face it, it's not the best handling car in the world. I find it to be complimentary that the car was even considered for this comparison honestly...

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Operator Drives: Porsche 944S, Camaro LS Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: NYC area Posts: 29	Again, I realize this is a Camaro forum, and that we all love the Camaro... but why does everyone bash on the Miata so much? Drove one at one of those Mazda Zoom-Zoom events and it really is a lot of fun to drive... very communicative and agile. Not sure I would want to own one for day-to-day driving but I don't get why it's bashed so hard. OK, fine, I get it, it's girly... but a real automotive/driving fan can look past the "image" I think...

08-24-2009, 04:26 PM	#70
Mosher Drives: 1LT Cruze Summit White Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Bedford Posts: 708	Miata is fine. All the cars in this review are fine. The problem I have is they try to Quantify what is really just there opinion, with numbers gained at the track. Simple fix would be to have 2 ratings, 1.) is what place the car was at the track, and then 2.) what car they "LIKED" the most. Trying to use some funky graph and say that the ZR1 is not as good as the 5 cars above it when it Molly wopped everything there, just because they don't like it, is the crux of the problem. It's a bit like telling Lance Armstrong that, well, he will be 6th not 1st in the tour de france because he looks funny riding the bike and all he did was go fast in the straights. In the end, it just goes to show that, the most important thing you can do when contemplating buying a new car is take it for a spin. YOUR judgement on what is good and bad is the most important. They are not going to be paying that bill every month.